Calvin Harris
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| Dual boot necessary? Hi guys. I'm getting my S4 in 3 days, and since i own a PC i'm wondering if it's really necessary to make a seperate partition for traktor, or if it will work fine with just this optimizing script:
http://www.djranking
s.com/2011/08/1...-power-script/
My pc's specifications is:
Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 2.00 GHz
4GB DDR2 RAM
Windows 7 64-Bit | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by rgtb
but a follow-up question: were you running off battery when you conducted the DPC latency checks?
I'm not sure i understand that question, but do you mean if i didn't had a power cable connected to my PC while testing it? Because i did
Yes, turning off battery ACPI is completely safe, I did it for years before switching to OSX.
Great! Thanks | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
Disabling the Battery ACPI won't make it go to default, it will make the system believe it's a desktop computer (meaning high performance with with no energy economy). You only need to disable this one really, there are no major benefits from the rest.
So what you are saying padi is, that it is completely safe for me to disable the "ACPI-compatible control method battery" ? | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Ngan Ernestine
22.12.2011 | yeah, that's what i meant. glad to hear you're good now | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by rgtb
but a follow-up question: were you running off battery when you conducted the DPC latency checks?
I'm not sure i understand that question, but do you mean if i didn't had a power cable connected to my PC while testing it? Because i did
Yes, turning off battery ACPI is completely safe, I did it for years before switching to OSX.
Great! Thanks | Nedra Fresneda
22.12.2011 | Yes, turning off battery ACPI is completely safe, I did it for years before switching to OSX. | Ngan Ernestine
22.12.2011 | oops, i'm sorry, it seems i skimmed over your post way too fast. somehow i understood you attempted to shut off ACPI completely.
but a follow-up question: were you running off battery when you conducted the DPC latency checks? | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
Disabling the Battery ACPI won't make it go to default, it will make the system believe it's a desktop computer (meaning high performance with with no energy economy). You only need to disable this one really, there are no major benefits from the rest.
So what you are saying padi is, that it is completely safe for me to disable the "ACPI-compatible control method battery" ? | Nedra Fresneda
22.12.2011 | Disabling the Battery ACPI won't make it go to default, it will make the system believe it's a desktop computer (meaning high performance with with no energy economy). You only need to disable this one really, there are no major benefits from the rest. | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 | I just read this in another community
:
Advanced Configuration Power Interface or ACPI controls power option parameters when running on battery power. By disabling ACPI, you will not be able to adjust the power settings during battery use and it will automatically be configured to the default setting. It will also disable the battery meter in the system tray, and free up resources in your computer as this will also work in the system background when enabled.
This is an ideal device to disable as all DJs should power their laptops externally during performance. Not to worry, your computer will still run on it's battery with the device disabled. | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
ACPI shouldn't be disabled under any circumstances. ACPI is critically important, disabling it interferes with the PC's power management. things like speed step and hyperthreading will not function properly without it.
btw, this is not just me saying that. The document to which padi linked to also instructs you to not disable ACPI.sys.
from what i've read, there is many types of ACPI, like some of them control the fans and so on. But the system critical ones, from what i've understood, can only be disabled in BIOS. When i disable "ACPI-compatible control method battery" in the battery tab in device manager, are you sure that isn't just the laptops battery i'm disabling? | Ngan Ernestine
22.12.2011 | ACPI shouldn't be disabled under any circumstances. ACPI is critically important, disabling it interferes with the PC's power management. things like speed step and hyperthreading will not function properly without it.
btw, this is not just me saying that. The document to which padi linked to also instructs you to not disable ACPI.sys. | Jacquelynn Ninmann
22.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by Skelten
When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps.
Okay, i spent all evening
trying to get rid of the problem, and i finally got rid of it! And yes, you are right! It does have something to do with the battery. The ACPI.sys driver giving me the most latency, apparently was the battery. The thing i did, was to go into Device Manager and under the tab "Battery", i disabled "Microsoft ACPI-compatible Control Method-battery", and that completely solved the problem. The other device giving me latency (The ndis.sys), was the Network device, but although i did try to turn it off on the switch on the computer, i had to disable everything under "Networking devices" in Device Manager. Now, when i check in the DPC Latency Checker, the maximum latency is about 450 | Kristina Falvo
22.12.2011 | No need. There are no services of features you're turning off for it to affect your "main" operating system in any way. | Lashawna Moschel
22.12.2011 | When I am running on my PC it's a necessity to run the power script and shut off the network or else I have terrible latency issues. Another thing I do though, that hasn't been mentioned yet and might help, is removing the battery. For some reason removing the battery and just using the power adapter works out much better every time.
Good luck figuring out your issues, it's a definite struggle but I've found with time you can figure out what works and what doesn't, just a matter of trying different steps. | Ngan Ernestine
21.12.2011 | ACPI is system-critical and should not/cannot be disabled. NDIS provides access to network devices. idk if it can be disabled. but are you sure network adapters are turned off? did your pc ship with any third-party network management tools? if so, consider uninstalling those (don't remove the driver itself, though) | Jacquelynn Ninmann
21.12.2011 | Okay, i tried running latencymon with FL Studio (Since i don't have Traktor yet), and the drivers giving me the most latency was ACPI.sys (ACPI-driver for NT) and ndis.sys (NDIS 6.20-driver), and then i want to know, if it is safe to disable them in the device manager? And if it is, will they automatically turn on after reboot?
The latency on the ACPI is: 3.10
And the NDIS is: 1.069 | Lang Abriel
21.12.2011 | Sounds like some strong opinions in here but I dual boot....don't know if i would need to now but with the early editions of traktor 2 i NEEDED IT. I have similar components as you but 2 gb of ram instead of 4gb. | Jacquelynn Ninmann
21.12.2011 | Alright i have run the DPC latency checker now, and with Wi-Fi on, i get about double as many spikes, as when it's off. Also i don't really know how to interpret the results.. most of the bars is around 250 | Ngan Ernestine
21.12.2011 |
Originally Posted by ondmis
How do i "check if you need to disable wireless adapters while running traktor"?
run dpc latency checker. if you get spikes which go away after disabling the wireless adapters, you know that you should them off prior to running traktor. note that many laptops have a hardware switch which allows you to turn off wi-fi, bluetooth, and other wireless adapters such as 3.5g (if present) easily.
And also "consider creating a dedicated, performance-oriented power plan for traktor". I have a power plan called "High performance", if it is, how is that different from a seperate for traktor?
i prefer to tweak the plan a bit more to my liking, but yeah, the win 7 "high performance" profile should do just fine. | Jacquelynn Ninmann
21.12.2011 | Thanks for all the replies!
I'll try that guide out! And i hadn't really considered the option of having a seperate user..
there's no need for creating a separate user account or a dual-boot system. it can make sense in certain circumstances but i would characterize those as the exception rather than the rule. the DJTT script isn't particularly good, either. (if you go through the script, you see that the script isn't very general--it seems to be written with very specific windows boxes in mind.)
set your system up properly, without conflicting software. e.g., if you run avira antivirus, you need to disable windows defender. run latest drivers, firmwares, BIOS. uninstall bloatware (manufacturer-branded tools for things like power management are unnecessary and frequent causes of DPC spikes). check if you need to disable wireless adapters while running traktor. consider creating a dedicated, performance-oriented power plan for traktor. make sure there's at least 15-20% free space on your hard disk (to ensure good drive performance). check that resource-intensive jobs (e.g., virus and malware scans, indexing services) are not scheduled to run while you DJ.
in most cases, doing all of the above should yield satisfactory performance.
How do i "check if you need to disable wireless adapters while running traktor"? And also "consider creating a dedicated, performance-oriented power plan for traktor". I have a power plan called "High performance", if it is, how is that different from a seperate for traktor? | Ngan Ernestine
21.12.2011 | there's no need for creating a separate user account or a dual-boot system. it can make sense in certain circumstances but i would characterize those as the exception rather than the rule. the DJTT script isn't particularly good, either. (if you go through the script, you see that the script isn't very general--it seems to be written with very specific windows boxes in mind.)
set your system up properly, without conflicting software. e.g., if you run avira antivirus, you need to disable windows defender. run latest drivers, firmwares, BIOS. uninstall bloatware (manufacturer-branded tools for things like power management are unnecessary and frequent causes of DPC spikes). check if you need to disable wireless adapters while running traktor. consider creating a dedicated, performance-oriented power plan for traktor. make sure there's at least 15-20% free space on your hard disk (to ensure good drive performance). check that resource-intensive jobs (e.g., virus and malware scans, indexing services) are not scheduled to run while you DJ.
in most cases, doing all of the above should yield satisfactory performance. | Nedra Fresneda
21.12.2011 | Follow this guide as well: http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...dio+processing
If you don't feel like dual booting, having a separate user is another option. | Lisa Lochotzki
21.12.2011 | There's no need for a dual boot system, but it's not a bad idea. The script may help. |
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