Broadcasting issues, listeners drop on transition.
Broadcasting issues, listeners drop on transition. Posted on: 03.02.2013 by Hollie Wawrzynski Hi all,I am trying to broadcast for some of my friends who are playing various games and have been requesting gaming music. I am using traktor s2 pro and icecast as win32 server on the dj machine (no separate dj server, yet) For some reason, every time i do anything on the non-active deck, all of my listeners drop, and need to refresh the link completely.... UNLESS if they use foodbar as a player for listening. ( so basically, every time i start cueing a new song in or do a transition). Browsers do not reconnect automatically, neither does winamp. Only foobar works, and i dont know why. This also happened on my previous setup through VDJ to icecast and liste2myradio and whatnot. I am going insane with this, as my friends are so lazy that they dont want to install any external softwares for listening and keep buggering me to fix this issue, but google has a lot of these questions, but no answers whatsoever. I would be posting this on icecast community s, but it is most likely not icecast issue as i've had it with other encoders as well. (Or maybe they all have something in the default config i'm unaware of) I can also find several reports of this via google, but none of the questions/reports have any solutions in them :/ I am clueless what to do, I've followed several guides and there should be nothing wrong with my setup. Can anyone help a beginner? | |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Genoveva Bopp 27.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Nukemi
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| Hollie Wawrzynski 27.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Steve Zorilow
I am running 100m/20m bandwith and naturally my computer is attached by cable directly to the router, should be ok for low amount of listeners i believe. However, the odd part is, that i've had 6 people listening at once on foobar with absolutely no problem on 192k, but if the listeners use any other method to listen to my stream, they will drop every time i transition a track. I am relatively experienced with networking (IT network engineer by profession), so i've forwarded the correct ports and such, there is something fishy going on with this and i cant get my heard around it :/ I am losing my mind with this. I've found several people over the interwebs complaining about this, but no-one has had a solution. Using foobar as a client is the only workaround i've found so far. I'll try mixlr and BUTT when i get home today, thanks again! |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 03.02.2013 | Hi all, I am trying to broadcast for some of my friends who are playing various games and have been requesting gaming music. I am using traktor s2 pro and icecast as win32 server on the dj machine (no separate dj server, yet) For some reason, every time i do anything on the non-active deck, all of my listeners drop, and need to refresh the link completely.... UNLESS if they use foodbar as a player for listening. ( so basically, every time i start cueing a new song in or do a transition). Browsers do not reconnect automatically, neither does winamp. Only foobar works, and i dont know why. This also happened on my previous setup through VDJ to icecast and liste2myradio and whatnot. I am going insane with this, as my friends are so lazy that they dont want to install any external softwares for listening and keep buggering me to fix this issue, but google has a lot of these questions, but no answers whatsoever. I would be posting this on icecast community s, but it is most likely not icecast issue as i've had it with other encoders as well. (Or maybe they all have something in the default config i'm unaware of) I can also find several reports of this via google, but none of the questions/reports have any solutions in them :/ I am clueless what to do, I've followed several guides and there should be nothing wrong with my setup. Can anyone help a beginner? |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | You're welcome! Keep us posted, we'll find a solution, that's for sure |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 28.02.2013 | Yep, my computer has the integrated soundcard on motherboard, if just that'll do, i am glad. I believe i get it now, those off the "main 1 & 2" from the back of the S2 to the right plug in the motherboard. Gotcha! Thanks for your patience, I'll try that at home and will see if the original problem gets fixed by using mixlr! |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Your computer already have a soundcard right? Assuming your computer soundcard have an 1/8" input jack (yeah pretty standard), the only thing you need to connect your S2 to your computer soundcard is a cable like this |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 28.02.2013 | Hi, thanks again. So the conclusion is, i should have an separate soundcard in my PC? :O and pull an cable from my S2 to it to make this work? However, with the S2 1/4 we mean mic? or one of the 1 or 2 mains? i am bit newbie-ish with whatever term means what still as im fairly beginner, so thank you for your patience! This is an absolute headwrecker for me. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Duh, I miss the whole point that the S2 do not have any inputs... damn... LOL OK, try so you could try something with mixlr. In traktor select the Kontrol S2 WDM Audio driver, then In mixlr, choose Kontrol S2 WDM Master. It should work. BUT, on some system, it may give you some glitch and performance issue. If so, then yeah, the easy way is to use another cable from the 1/4 of your S2 to your soundcard input. ASIO driver doesn't allow (easily) to record from an output (like stereo mix, or any WDM/WASAPI/DS driver) However, it give a far better latency. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 28.02.2013 | Strange... just double checked it here with my S4, no problem whatsoever. Just a simple loopback from the S4 output to an unused input and voil |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 28.02.2013 | Thanks for your reply Jeff. So, do i need an soundcard for this? I only got the integrated one with my motherboard. (and the traktor S2's one ofcourse). What is the purpose of this? I do not understand why another soundcard is needed in addition to the S2 one. also, what spare output? I am not sure exactly what we are talking about this when looking at the backplate of my S2 http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/qua...b4016ef8b7.jpg Thanks! |
| Valene Guasp 27.02.2013 | Use the spare output which does not go to your amp and run a cable from there to the line in of your pc |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 27.02.2013 | Ok, so im trying to set up mixlr here to start troubleshooting this, and when i set it up, it does not detect audio from my traktor. (it is possible that my remote through logmein.com is mixing it up somehow as it does not repeat audio without bought license, have to see to that when i get home) The way my setup is wired is that i have Traktor kontrol 2, where RCA goes into my yamaha receiver from the kontrol S2 output sockets to receiver AV5. And the controller is plugged by USB to my computer. This works for broadcasting with icecast, but now im googling how get mixlr to detect the audio, and i found this link: http://support.mixlr.com/customer/po...ontroller-mac- I know it is not for kontrol 2, but in there it says this: Traktor is sending audio to Output 1-2, whilst Mixlr is trying to receive audio from Input 1-2. Simply physically route Output 1-2 to Input 1-2 on the Hercules using a phono to phono cable: I am bit confused here on to what/how should i plug what and where now to get this work as my traktor kontrol S2 has no inputs slots like that (as you can see from the picture) Below, traktor backpanel: http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/qua...b4016ef8b7.jpg Should i change my cabling around somehow to get the audio to be recognized? (I know, this is bit off the topic from the previous problem, but i need to resolve this first in order to start troubleshooting this with mixlr instead of icecast ,) ) edit2: i found this, which im trying to understand. http://djsizzly.com/content/internet...s2-and-traktor I am just wondering, should i get an separate soundcard to my PC along with the traktor S2's built-in one? And once again, thank you so much for help so far, you people are incredible! |
| Lisa Lochotzki 27.02.2013 | mixlr doesn't show anything, neither Winamp or BUTT as they use a audio source only. VDJ, Traktor built-in feature can on the other hand acces the track name .. it's built-in... metadata is a plausible issue. Maybe some specific character are to blame?!? |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 27.02.2013 | I am currently broadcasting as .ogg myself, as traktor does not allow other formats. I am broadcasting directly from my PC desktop tho(which is my dj station simultaneously), I've got several laptops lying around, so if it really comes to having an separate server, i can do that as well. I assume one can disable showing the track titles on MIXLR? I certainly hope so, as i strongly believe this issue takes root in the metadata. What else could it be? I've already registered to mixlr here, and am now setting it up to home computer through remote, hope it helps. Will report soon-ish (should do some work as well at some point but i prefer doing this!) |
| Genoveva Bopp 27.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Nukemi
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| Lisa Lochotzki 27.02.2013 | Let us know what happen. Try a lower bitrate, 128Kbps never gave give problem but, somehow I could have been lucky to broadcast on "stable" shoutcast server. Winamp + ShoutcastDsp is also a workable solution, but the audio input source choice is damn poor unless you add some other plug-in for it... |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 27.02.2013 | I just found out that it might have something to do with metadata, as i found by googling that people have had odd audio breaks because the track name is displayed. I really hope this is is, just have to find a way to disable it now so it only shows the radio station's name. Im having hard time trying to figure this out on icecast, i wonder if any other encoder would be easier to manage than it's .txt settings file. |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 27.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Steve Zorilow
I am running 100m/20m bandwith and naturally my computer is attached by cable directly to the router, should be ok for low amount of listeners i believe. However, the odd part is, that i've had 6 people listening at once on foobar with absolutely no problem on 192k, but if the listeners use any other method to listen to my stream, they will drop every time i transition a track. I am relatively experienced with networking (IT network engineer by profession), so i've forwarded the correct ports and such, there is something fishy going on with this and i cant get my heard around it :/ I am losing my mind with this. I've found several people over the interwebs complaining about this, but no-one has had a solution. Using foobar as a client is the only workaround i've found so far. I'll try mixlr and BUTT when i get home today, thanks again! |
| Lisa Lochotzki 27.02.2013 | For starter you need a good internet connection with sufficient upload bandwidth. If you don't have it, neither IceCast, ShoutCast and pal will work properly. If you're on PC you could try BUTT for your broadcast, it works with IceCast AND Shoutcast server. You could give a shot to Mixlr, but I doubt it will solve your problem. |
| Hollie Wawrzynski 27.02.2013 | I am still struggling with this one unfortunately. Only foobar works, and its not very easy to get my friends to tune in if they have to install additional software ;( Does anyone have any tips? |
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