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Posted on: 11.03.2013 by Jefferson Grigor
Hi everyone first time posting here so please be patient.I have been a member of this community for a while but have generally found any questions I wanted to ask had been already answered saving me a lot of time and hassle, but one thing that confuses me is the massive hate / love for certain gear ,let me explain I have had various types and brands of dj and production gear for about 15 years my current set up is a mixture of top quality and mid quality brands of gear and it really confuses me where people's approach changes when it comes to dj gear .For example when ever someone says they are going to buy some cdj2000 nexus's there always a big group that jumps on it saying its a waste of money to buy the best quality gear for use ONLY at home but I bet these people or at least some of them would buy the best brand of other gear because they could afford it example IPAD, MACBOOK or a top brand tv that does nothing better than a smaller brand so why do they feel that dj gear is any different? there are many brands of tablet out there but people buy iPads for the brand and quality even though we all know that iPad does nothing different to all the tablets available and yes I'm typing this post on an iPad . So I guess this is my first question on the community do people really believe that some cdj2000's are a waste of money for home or is it down to price vs functions or is it jealousy that someone can afford to buy these pieces of gear because they possibly have worked many hours extra to save for the top gear that they trust and has been proven over and over again to be reliable and after all we have all at some point brought the slightly cheaper version of something only for it to break and have to be replaced with another or even what you were going to buy in the first place.

Just my opinion and would love to here others reasons / opinions for selecting different brands and quality of gear
Rolanda Clodfelder
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
MacBook Pro 15" w/ i7 3720QM, 8GB of DDR3, and a 500GB 7200rpm HDD, as calculated by Apple's configurator:
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by Bubbles82
Couldn't agree more on the whole over priced under-spec debate when it comes to most modern tech,although I am posting from an iPad it is an iPad one not even close to the the latest generation,that's because it still works the same as the day I took it from the box so maybe another angle on the QUALITY / FEATURES/ PRICE back then this tablet was overpriced to most even me ( someone who's a gadget junky)but after many many drops the dog jumping on it and a stupid amount of uses and charges it's still going strong so now I believe I have had my money's worth from this item and if it slowed down and died completely I would probably go out and buy another iPad even though I could get one of the cheaper tablets for about half the price.
I bought an HP Touchpad. I also use Pentax gear instead of Canon/Nikon, because you get the same - if not better features - for less money. I will NEVER buy a specific brand because if its name, regardless of what area of life I'm dealing with; DJing is no different.

Oh, and as for the CONSTANT Pro-Mac bullshit on here, here's an example:

MacBook Pro 15" w/ i7 3720QM, 8GB of DDR3, and a 500GB 7200rpm HDD, as calculated by Apple's configurator:
Antoine Wasiewicz
11.03.2013
Do you really need answers to your post? Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses - and the great thing about opinions is that they are neither right or wrong.

They're just opinions.

If I had a million in the bank, my opinion would be that spending a grand on a mixer was not a problem. But if I earned
Rolanda Clodfelder
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
MacBook Pro 15" w/ i7 3720QM, 8GB of DDR3, and a 500GB 7200rpm HDD, as calculated by Apple's configurator:
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by Bubbles82
Couldn't agree more on the whole over priced under-spec debate when it comes to most modern tech,although I am posting from an iPad it is an iPad one not even close to the the latest generation,that's because it still works the same as the day I took it from the box so maybe another angle on the QUALITY / FEATURES/ PRICE back then this tablet was overpriced to most even me ( someone who's a gadget junky)but after many many drops the dog jumping on it and a stupid amount of uses and charges it's still going strong so now I believe I have had my money's worth from this item and if it slowed down and died completely I would probably go out and buy another iPad even though I could get one of the cheaper tablets for about half the price.
I bought an HP Touchpad. I also use Pentax gear instead of Canon/Nikon, because you get the same - if not better features - for less money. I will NEVER buy a specific brand because if its name, regardless of what area of life I'm dealing with; DJing is no different.

Oh, and as for the CONSTANT Pro-Mac bullshit on here, here's an example:

MacBook Pro 15" w/ i7 3720QM, 8GB of DDR3, and a 500GB 7200rpm HDD, as calculated by Apple's configurator:
Jefferson Grigor
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I wouldn't, because I'm not a bloody moron.

If there's no benefit to spending more on something, then you might as well just take your money and set fire to it. Seriously; take the lowest denomination bill in your wallet right now, and set fire to it... that's how it feels wasting money on Pioneer gear, or Apple, or Sony, etc etc.

In fact, buying CDJ2000s is even worse, because you get LESS features than even the most basic MIDI controller. Buying one of those is like taking your money, setting fire to it, and then inserting it into one of your more private orifices.
Couldn't agree more on the whole over priced under-spec debate when it comes to most modern tech,although I am posting from an iPad it is an iPad one not even close to the the latest generation,that's because it still works the same as the day I took it from the box so maybe another angle on the QUALITY / FEATURES/ PRICE back then this tablet was overpriced to most even me ( someone who's a gadget junky)but after many many drops the dog jumping on it and a stupid amount of uses and charges it's still going strong so now I believe I have had my money's worth from this item and if it slowed down and died completely I would probably go out and buy another iPad even though I could get one of the cheaper tablets for about half the price.
Antoine Wasiewicz
11.03.2013
Do you really need answers to your post? Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses - and the great thing about opinions is that they are neither right or wrong.

They're just opinions.

If I had a million in the bank, my opinion would be that spending a grand on a mixer was not a problem. But if I earned
Alphonso Deitchman
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Apple, or Sony, etc etc.
Apple and Sony make some great products at competitive prices.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
you get LESS features than even the most basic MIDI controller.
Please give an example of a basic MIDI controller that has:
A large tension-adjustable jog wheel, long high-res fader, large responsive cueing buttons, 10cm LCD display.
SD card, USB, and CD slots for mixing completely independant of a computer.
Soundcard with a high-end DAC and both analogue and digital outputs.
HID control integration with all the major DJ software options.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I wouldn't, because I'm not a bloody moron.
Matter of opinion.

Have you ever considered giving constructive arguments, especially to those new to the community ?


Originally Posted by Bubbles82
a MacBook pro is ok/ not overkill that's twice the price of an equivalent windows laptop of the same or better spec
I've yet to see any Windows-based laptop that equals a Macbook Air/15"Pro/Retina in specs and build quality at a significantly lower price. The standard 13" Pro is a little weak and overpriced I'll admit.
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by Bubbles82
For example when ever someone says they are going to buy some cdj2000 nexus's there always a big group that jumps on it saying its a waste of money to buy the best quality gear for use ONLY at home but I bet these people or at least some of them would buy the best brand of other gear because they could afford it example IPAD, MACBOOK or a top brand tv that does nothing better than a smaller brand so why do they feel that dj gear is any different?
I wouldn't, because I'm not a bloody moron.

If there's no benefit to spending more on something, then you might as well just take your money and set fire to it. Seriously; take the lowest denomination bill in your wallet right now, and set fire to it... that's how it feels wasting money on Pioneer gear, or Apple, or Sony, etc etc.

In fact, buying CDJ2000s is even worse, because you get LESS features than even the most basic MIDI controller. Buying one of those is like taking your money, setting fire to it, and then inserting it into one of your more private orifices.
Jefferson Grigor
11.03.2013
Hi everyone first time posting here so please be patient.I have been a member of this community for a while but have generally found any questions I wanted to ask had been already answered saving me a lot of time and hassle, but one thing that confuses me is the massive hate / love for certain gear ,let me explain I have had various types and brands of dj and production gear for about 15 years my current set up is a mixture of top quality and mid quality brands of gear and it really confuses me where people's approach changes when it comes to dj gear .For example when ever someone says they are going to buy some cdj2000 nexus's there always a big group that jumps on it saying its a waste of money to buy the best quality gear for use ONLY at home but I bet these people or at least some of them would buy the best brand of other gear because they could afford it example IPAD, MACBOOK or a top brand tv that does nothing better than a smaller brand so why do they feel that dj gear is any different? there are many brands of tablet out there but people buy iPads for the brand and quality even though we all know that iPad does nothing different to all the tablets available and yes I'm typing this post on an iPad . So I guess this is my first question on the community do people really believe that some cdj2000's are a waste of money for home or is it down to price vs functions or is it jealousy that someone can afford to buy these pieces of gear because they possibly have worked many hours extra to save for the top gear that they trust and has been proven over and over again to be reliable and after all we have all at some point brought the slightly cheaper version of something only for it to break and have to be replaced with another or even what you were going to buy in the first place.

Just my opinion and would love to here others reasons / opinions for selecting different brands and quality of gear
Jefferson Grigor
11.03.2013
My final post on this topic as like I stated in the start this is all a matter of opinion but would like to finally say most people have already made there mind up when they post here on what they are going to buy regardless of what others believe and they would just love to here peoples ideas and suggestions even if they can be taken two ways as genuine advice or a matter of opinion or just someone being narrow minded.I am a member of many community s on different subjects and would love to see a community that people give there opinions on and accept that they believe that way and others believe different and don't constantly reply to posts across all subjects just to step on others ideas.I would like to wrap this up by saying always buy what YOU want/ can afford never apologise for working hard or be patient enough to save for the best of what is available or being able to only afford a certain amount because of family/ income I come from a childhood of not having anything because my parents were hard up and have worked hard to get where I am so if you believe something's over the top say but only if you believe it is NOT because you haven't got one or just to be a**e I'm off now to the gym in my 300 horsepower car because it's what I want and have worked hard for even though it is MORE THAN I NEED/ OVERKILL AND NOT AS HIGH A SPEC AS OTHERS
Rolanda Clodfelder
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
MacBook Pro 15" w/ i7 3720QM, 8GB of DDR3, and a 500GB 7200rpm HDD, as calculated by Apple's configurator:
Klara Kinnebrew
11.03.2013
Mdc, Ill take the 39% tax to get the sexy osx GUI that is wrapped around the unix based OS. You can stick with your winbloze...

Just my opinion of course
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by Bubbles82
Couldn't agree more on the whole over priced under-spec debate when it comes to most modern tech,although I am posting from an iPad it is an iPad one not even close to the the latest generation,that's because it still works the same as the day I took it from the box so maybe another angle on the QUALITY / FEATURES/ PRICE back then this tablet was overpriced to most even me ( someone who's a gadget junky)but after many many drops the dog jumping on it and a stupid amount of uses and charges it's still going strong so now I believe I have had my money's worth from this item and if it slowed down and died completely I would probably go out and buy another iPad even though I could get one of the cheaper tablets for about half the price.
I bought an HP Touchpad. I also use Pentax gear instead of Canon/Nikon, because you get the same - if not better features - for less money. I will NEVER buy a specific brand because if its name, regardless of what area of life I'm dealing with; DJing is no different.

Oh, and as for the CONSTANT Pro-Mac bullshit on here, here's an example:

MacBook Pro 15" w/ i7 3720QM, 8GB of DDR3, and a 500GB 7200rpm HDD, as calculated by Apple's configurator:
Jefferson Grigor
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I wouldn't, because I'm not a bloody moron.

If there's no benefit to spending more on something, then you might as well just take your money and set fire to it. Seriously; take the lowest denomination bill in your wallet right now, and set fire to it... that's how it feels wasting money on Pioneer gear, or Apple, or Sony, etc etc.

In fact, buying CDJ2000s is even worse, because you get LESS features than even the most basic MIDI controller. Buying one of those is like taking your money, setting fire to it, and then inserting it into one of your more private orifices.
Couldn't agree more on the whole over priced under-spec debate when it comes to most modern tech,although I am posting from an iPad it is an iPad one not even close to the the latest generation,that's because it still works the same as the day I took it from the box so maybe another angle on the QUALITY / FEATURES/ PRICE back then this tablet was overpriced to most even me ( someone who's a gadget junky)but after many many drops the dog jumping on it and a stupid amount of uses and charges it's still going strong so now I believe I have had my money's worth from this item and if it slowed down and died completely I would probably go out and buy another iPad even though I could get one of the cheaper tablets for about half the price.
Antoine Wasiewicz
11.03.2013
Do you really need answers to your post? Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses - and the great thing about opinions is that they are neither right or wrong.

They're just opinions.

If I had a million in the bank, my opinion would be that spending a grand on a mixer was not a problem. But if I earned
Alphonso Deitchman
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Apple, or Sony, etc etc.
Apple and Sony make some great products at competitive prices.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
you get LESS features than even the most basic MIDI controller.
Please give an example of a basic MIDI controller that has:
A large tension-adjustable jog wheel, long high-res fader, large responsive cueing buttons, 10cm LCD display.
SD card, USB, and CD slots for mixing completely independant of a computer.
Soundcard with a high-end DAC and both analogue and digital outputs.
HID control integration with all the major DJ software options.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I wouldn't, because I'm not a bloody moron.
Matter of opinion.

Have you ever considered giving constructive arguments, especially to those new to the community ?


Originally Posted by Bubbles82
a MacBook pro is ok/ not overkill that's twice the price of an equivalent windows laptop of the same or better spec
I've yet to see any Windows-based laptop that equals a Macbook Air/15"Pro/Retina in specs and build quality at a significantly lower price. The standard 13" Pro is a little weak and overpriced I'll admit.
Jefferson Grigor
11.03.2013
Thanks for the reply was more of a survey style question than what should i buy question but nice to have a reply .I already have all the gear anyone could ever need including cdj 's mixer ,keyboards,maschine, ableton ,apc20, launchpad, 2x f1's ,a traktor s2 and full studio mixing desk set up at home I was aiming more for why people buy the best tv's,dvd players,washing machines and other electrical goods that do the same as all the cheaper brands but won't buy the best dj gear coz they see this in a different light and that when it comes to dj gear the more than you need type gear is all of a sudden a waste of money but a MacBook pro is ok/ not overkill that's twice the price of an equivalent windows laptop of the same or better spec
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by Bubbles82
For example when ever someone says they are going to buy some cdj2000 nexus's there always a big group that jumps on it saying its a waste of money to buy the best quality gear for use ONLY at home but I bet these people or at least some of them would buy the best brand of other gear because they could afford it example IPAD, MACBOOK or a top brand tv that does nothing better than a smaller brand so why do they feel that dj gear is any different?
I wouldn't, because I'm not a bloody moron.

If there's no benefit to spending more on something, then you might as well just take your money and set fire to it. Seriously; take the lowest denomination bill in your wallet right now, and set fire to it... that's how it feels wasting money on Pioneer gear, or Apple, or Sony, etc etc.

In fact, buying CDJ2000s is even worse, because you get LESS features than even the most basic MIDI controller. Buying one of those is like taking your money, setting fire to it, and then inserting it into one of your more private orifices.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.03.2013
Yes, getting brand new CDJ 2000 Nexuses for bedroom use is overkill. You may want to look at an all-in-one controller like the DDJ-SX if it's just for home use, or possibly a used pair of older CDJs.

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