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Posted on: 10.03.2013 by Freddie Farringer
hey guys, whats up.. im starting this post to talk about what your preferred music sources are, weather its samples or whole tracks. and also to give your opinion on other peoples sources or maybe get a new idea.

i was using any audio converter to conver youtube files to WAV for a while but now its not working out for me...

i also use sample packs every now and then although i often find them redundant and that i enjoy using my own vst's for production alot more... i have used beat port/sounds to sample and a few free downloads of samples from sites like dub spot or cosm
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Youtube tops out at 192kbps AAC for 720p and 1080p videos which is decent, and is a great way to get a listen to a full song before deciding on a purchase. Most of the big labels put all their albums up so you can subscribe and keep track of new releases.
Don't forget that 192kbps AAC is roughly equivalent to somewhere between 250 and 320kbps MP3 (224kbps AAC is equivalent to 320kbps MP3, so somewhere between the two), which isn't all that bad tbh.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj
Youtube is a little vague about audio streaming rates...but most references say it is 128kbps. That assumes that the audio was at least that good to start with. AFAIK, there is NO way to get audio that is any better than that from youtube.

Quality aside...youtube is a great reference for finding music and hearing a full song. It, after hearing the full song, you are not willing to part with $1-ish, why would you EVER want to play that song at a gig???
Youtube tops out at 192kbps AAC for 720p and 1080p videos which is decent, and is a great way to get a listen to a full song before deciding on a purchase. Most of the big labels put all their albums up so you can subscribe and keep track of new releases.
Layne Koop
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by LemonSkunk
well i use too, any audio converter samples the sound from the url or the specific video then converts it to a WAV file at 705kbps, so idk.
Youtube is a little vague about audio streaming rates...but most references say it is 128kbps. That assumes that the audio was at least that good to start with. AFAIK, there is NO way to get audio that is any better than that from youtube.

Quality aside...youtube is a great reference for finding music and hearing a full song. It, after hearing the full song, you are not willing to part with $1-ish, why would you EVER want to play that song at a gig???
Sonja Roybal
12.03.2013
Originally Posted by Landsnark
IMO... just a good way to enforce being more picky about your music.

Honestly, it astonishes me that people aren't willing to pay $.99 or $1.50 for a piece of music, when only a few years ago people would've been ecstatic for that opportunity.

I'm not trying to start a piracy debate here, I'm just saying that it seems like small potatoes. And anymore, I can't even be bothered with trying to rip music from other sources. It's worth a dollar for me to not have to screw with it.
It's crazy to me as well. I used to pay $11 for one tune when I played vinyl. Records rarely had 2 tunes you actually play.

I play drum and bass. Producers aren't making any money from their production. Most do it for the love. Buy the tunes. Every little bit helps. I use Surus, Redeye or Juno.
Lisette Ruben
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by willisnz
Why would you prefer a sample to a track?

DCONN - What is EDC?
I use the sample packs as an extra tool to play one shots or loops over songs to beef them up. You'd be surprised how much fatter a song can get with just a kick loop. I make music now so I have a supple sample library (that sounded nice) so I don't buy those anymore. But if you want a bang for your buck it's not a bad route for samples. Also, EDC (as stated by LemonSkunk) is Electric Daisy Carnival. One of the biggest electronic music festivals. I'm not playing over massive speaker systems and playing for thousands of people, so iTunes quality is perfectly fine for me. Not to mention it gets nicely organized and is easily accessible in Traktor.
Originally Posted by Landsnark
IMO... just a good way to enforce being more picky about your music.

Honestly, it astonishes me that people aren't willing to pay $.99 or $1.50 for a piece of music, when only a few years ago people would've been ecstatic for that opportunity.

I'm not trying to start a piracy debate here, I'm just saying that it seems like small potatoes. And anymore, I can't even be bothered with trying to rip music from other sources. It's worth a dollar for me to not have to screw with it.
I do agree with you. DJ'ing is not a cheap hobby/lifestyle or whatever you want to call it. I already spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on gear so I don't mind buying my tracks. But as I've said before; I buy my tracks from iTunes because they go from 69 cents to $1.29. I'm not really fond of paying $2.00 for one song.

To put in perspective: If I do a 4 hour set for a dance or an event; we're talking about somewhere between 50-65 tracks (it depends on what you're playing). If I spend $1.00 on each track that that's $50-$60. If I have to spend $2.00 on that many tracks it's $100-$130. Granted, I'm not buying that many tracks at once anymore now that I have a good handful of gigs down, but you get what I mean.
Merlyn Birchfield
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by LemonSkunk
well i use too, any audio converter samples the sound from the url or the specific video then converts it to a WAV file at 705kbps, so idk. but i guess like dconn said, im not playing at edc (electric daisy carnival)... but more importantly this is why i brought up the subject. im finding it very difficult to find a good source of music with out draining my bank account.
IMO... just a good way to enforce being more picky about your music.

Honestly, it astonishes me that people aren't willing to pay $.99 or $1.50 for a piece of music, when only a few years ago people would've been ecstatic for that opportunity.

I'm not trying to start a piracy debate here, I'm just saying that it seems like small potatoes. And anymore, I can't even be bothered with trying to rip music from other sources. It's worth a dollar for me to not have to screw with it.
Merlyn Birchfield
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by DCONN
A big secret weapon for me is Spotify Premium. I'm able to do a lot of track research by being able to listen to full tracks and even get basic set list guidelines for mixes before even purchasing the track. Not to mention being able to listen to a whole slew of music for my own personal enjoyment.
Definitely agree... Spotify Premium has single-handedly changed the way I listen and hunt for music. Especially since I can use it on my phone (and, therefore, my car).
Freddie Farringer
10.03.2013		hey guys, whats up.. im starting this post to talk about what your preferred music sources are, weather its samples or whole tracks. and also to give your opinion on other peoples sources or maybe get a new idea.

i was using any audio converter to conver youtube files to WAV for a while but now its not working out for me...

i also use sample packs every now and then although i often find them redundant and that i enjoy using my own vst's for production alot more... i have used beat port/sounds to sample and a few free downloads of samples from sites like dub spot or cosm
Latoria Kavulich
12.03.2013		Oh i almost forgot

/Closed (piracy)
Doreen Schurle
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Youtube tops out at 192kbps AAC for 720p and 1080p videos which is decent, and is a great way to get a listen to a full song before deciding on a purchase. Most of the big labels put all their albums up so you can subscribe and keep track of new releases.
Don't forget that 192kbps AAC is roughly equivalent to somewhere between 250 and 320kbps MP3 (224kbps AAC is equivalent to 320kbps MP3, so somewhere between the two), which isn't all that bad tbh.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj
Youtube is a little vague about audio streaming rates...but most references say it is 128kbps. That assumes that the audio was at least that good to start with. AFAIK, there is NO way to get audio that is any better than that from youtube.

Quality aside...youtube is a great reference for finding music and hearing a full song. It, after hearing the full song, you are not willing to part with $1-ish, why would you EVER want to play that song at a gig???
Youtube tops out at 192kbps AAC for 720p and 1080p videos which is decent, and is a great way to get a listen to a full song before deciding on a purchase. Most of the big labels put all their albums up so you can subscribe and keep track of new releases.
Layne Koop
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by LemonSkunk
well i use too, any audio converter samples the sound from the url or the specific video then converts it to a WAV file at 705kbps, so idk.
Youtube is a little vague about audio streaming rates...but most references say it is 128kbps. That assumes that the audio was at least that good to start with. AFAIK, there is NO way to get audio that is any better than that from youtube.

Quality aside...youtube is a great reference for finding music and hearing a full song. It, after hearing the full song, you are not willing to part with $1-ish, why would you EVER want to play that song at a gig???
Freddie Farringer
11.03.2013		land shark im to young to have experienced any other price for a track... ive done some reading and it tunes out that ripping from you tube is yielding poor-ish or rather not the best sound quality. i alsonow feel bad about having done this in the past because i fully support other producers and dj's and its counter productive for the culture and also hypocritical of me to pirate their music... i wanna say thanks to everyone for their feed back
Will Spinello
11.03.2013		Amen.

Support whatever scene you're into. Buy the music. I spent 80 quid last week on vinyl and another 20 odd on digital stuff. Fair enough, that's more than I usually spend on music in a week by quite a bit, but it was a good week for tunes...

Digital music costs next to nothing as it is, especially if you just buy individual tracks (I always buy the full release,) and if you want the artist in question to get as much out of it as they can, I recommend getting onboard Bandcamp ASAP.

@OP:

Other than Bandcamp, try Juno, Boomkat, or anyone of the many digital retailers that are online. It's not just Beatport or Itunes anymore, of course, there is a whole world out there that isn't crappy lowgrade Youtube rips.
Sonja Roybal
12.03.2013
Originally Posted by Landsnark
IMO... just a good way to enforce being more picky about your music.

Honestly, it astonishes me that people aren't willing to pay $.99 or $1.50 for a piece of music, when only a few years ago people would've been ecstatic for that opportunity.

I'm not trying to start a piracy debate here, I'm just saying that it seems like small potatoes. And anymore, I can't even be bothered with trying to rip music from other sources. It's worth a dollar for me to not have to screw with it.
It's crazy to me as well. I used to pay $11 for one tune when I played vinyl. Records rarely had 2 tunes you actually play.

I play drum and bass. Producers aren't making any money from their production. Most do it for the love. Buy the tunes. Every little bit helps. I use Surus, Redeye or Juno.
Lisette Ruben
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by willisnz
Why would you prefer a sample to a track?

DCONN - What is EDC?
I use the sample packs as an extra tool to play one shots or loops over songs to beef them up. You'd be surprised how much fatter a song can get with just a kick loop. I make music now so I have a supple sample library (that sounded nice) so I don't buy those anymore. But if you want a bang for your buck it's not a bad route for samples. Also, EDC (as stated by LemonSkunk) is Electric Daisy Carnival. One of the biggest electronic music festivals. I'm not playing over massive speaker systems and playing for thousands of people, so iTunes quality is perfectly fine for me. Not to mention it gets nicely organized and is easily accessible in Traktor.
Originally Posted by Landsnark
IMO... just a good way to enforce being more picky about your music.

Honestly, it astonishes me that people aren't willing to pay $.99 or $1.50 for a piece of music, when only a few years ago people would've been ecstatic for that opportunity.

I'm not trying to start a piracy debate here, I'm just saying that it seems like small potatoes. And anymore, I can't even be bothered with trying to rip music from other sources. It's worth a dollar for me to not have to screw with it.
I do agree with you. DJ'ing is not a cheap hobby/lifestyle or whatever you want to call it. I already spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on gear so I don't mind buying my tracks. But as I've said before; I buy my tracks from iTunes because they go from 69 cents to $1.29. I'm not really fond of paying $2.00 for one song.

To put in perspective: If I do a 4 hour set for a dance or an event; we're talking about somewhere between 50-65 tracks (it depends on what you're playing). If I spend $1.00 on each track that that's $50-$60. If I have to spend $2.00 on that many tracks it's $100-$130. Granted, I'm not buying that many tracks at once anymore now that I have a good handful of gigs down, but you get what I mean.
Merlyn Birchfield
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by LemonSkunk
well i use too, any audio converter samples the sound from the url or the specific video then converts it to a WAV file at 705kbps, so idk. but i guess like dconn said, im not playing at edc (electric daisy carnival)... but more importantly this is why i brought up the subject. im finding it very difficult to find a good source of music with out draining my bank account.
IMO... just a good way to enforce being more picky about your music.

Honestly, it astonishes me that people aren't willing to pay $.99 or $1.50 for a piece of music, when only a few years ago people would've been ecstatic for that opportunity.

I'm not trying to start a piracy debate here, I'm just saying that it seems like small potatoes. And anymore, I can't even be bothered with trying to rip music from other sources. It's worth a dollar for me to not have to screw with it.
Emelina Chillson
11.03.2013		stop stealing your music. buy it or get to know the artists and bloggers. for samples, hmu via pm
Vi Melroy
11.03.2013		There is a thread about free music on Djtt community .
Freddie Farringer
11.03.2013		well i use too, any audio converter samples the sound from the url or the specific video then converts it to a WAV file at 705kbps, so idk. but i guess like dconn said, im not playing at edc (electric daisy carnival)... but more importantly this is why i brought up the subject. im finding it very difficult to find a good source of music with out draining my bank account.
Merlyn Birchfield
11.03.2013
Originally Posted by DCONN
A big secret weapon for me is Spotify Premium. I'm able to do a lot of track research by being able to listen to full tracks and even get basic set list guidelines for mixes before even purchasing the track. Not to mention being able to listen to a whole slew of music for my own personal enjoyment.
Definitely agree... Spotify Premium has single-handedly changed the way I listen and hunt for music. Especially since I can use it on my phone (and, therefore, my car).
Marjorie Fallucca
11.03.2013		Why would you prefer a sample to a track?

DCONN - What is EDC?
Lisette Ruben
11.03.2013		Personally I buy my tracks from iTunes. They're good enough quality for what I do (because I'm not playing EDC). I really don't like how expensive tracks are on Beatport. But the sample packs Beatport sells are cool.

A big secret weapon for me is Spotify Premium. I'm able to do a lot of track research by being able to listen to full tracks and even get basic set list guidelines for mixes before even purchasing the track. Not to mention being able to listen to a whole slew of music for my own personal enjoyment.
Latoria Kavulich
10.03.2013		so you convert 64kb youtube rips to wavs?
Merlyn Birchfield
10.03.2013		Eek, of all the places to source tracks, why YouTube?

This is kinda two different questions, but I'll have a go at answering the question of sourcing full songs.

The obvious choice is Beatport, but I prefer to not pay attention to any distributor suggestions or charts. I don't care what Beatport believes is a killer "secret weapon" or what other people are buying... I just wanna find stuff I like!

A lot of times I will listen to tracks on YouTube, Soundcloud, stuff posted by friends on Facebook, etc. and cross-reference them in order to find them for purchase on sites like Beatport, DJDownload, etc.

Soundcloud's new continuous stream is pretty nice for finding cool tracks, and a lot of times you can find some exclusives and free edits this way.

Here's a list of 25 more ways to find good music online.

I would highly suggest staying away from "ripping" songs from sites like YouTube, but rather use YouTube as a resource for finding tracks. If you're looking for rare/hard-to-find tracks, check them out on YouTube but find them on Discogs.

Hope this helps!

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