Monitor/Preview for remix decks.
Monitor/Preview for remix decks. Posted on: 20.06.2012 by Efrain Scharr So I use my F1 and remix decks in deck C with my external mixer (Xone 92). I also have an X1 for controlling decks A & B. How can I cue one of the sample cells if the one of the others is already playing? My Audio 8 is routed like this. Deck A into Channel 1 - Deck B into Channel 2 - Remix Deck C into Channel 3. I am using the Deck D inputs (7/8) on the audio 8 to record my sets.So if in Deck C I already have some sample playing and I want to preview one of the other cells where can I route the preview? I know there is the monitor option on the F1, but that needs to come out somewhere... so where? I don't mind changing how I have my recording set up if I have to free up that other in/out on the audio 8. Thanks | |
| Efrain Scharr 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by DirtyNerd
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| Leota Dolney 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
I get that the assumption was that if you are using an external mixer, you would cue through it, but NI have themselves changed the game by introducing the Remix Decks & the F1...these don'w align well with an external mixing paradigm. The F1 has level faders for the slots plus it has dedicated (via shift) functionality to monitor each slot in the remix deck. Unfortunately, NI maybe didn't fully realize how much small details really affected the DJ'ing paradigm....at least for me anyway...I love the F1 and Remix decks! |
| Leota Dolney 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
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| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
I have, I am using the F1 with it... It seems to be almost 99% stable for me. Only issue I have had was a delay every once and a while when I scroll through the trees. Nothing too major. Please let me know your results toevening . I am believeing of picking up a digital recorder and just using one of the decks for the cueing. I don't use the 4th deck right now anyways, so I won't be missing anything. |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
I am not by my setup right now.. sorry |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
Yeah, I am wondering if I will have to purchase an Audio 10... |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.03.2013 | Any news on this? They did not implement it on the last update to my knowledge. Has anyone found a work around for it? |
| Efrain Scharr 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by DirtyNerd
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| Leota Dolney 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
I get that the assumption was that if you are using an external mixer, you would cue through it, but NI have themselves changed the game by introducing the Remix Decks & the F1...these don'w align well with an external mixing paradigm. The F1 has level faders for the slots plus it has dedicated (via shift) functionality to monitor each slot in the remix deck. Unfortunately, NI maybe didn't fully realize how much small details really affected the DJ'ing paradigm....at least for me anyway...I love the F1 and Remix decks! |
| Leota Dolney 25.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
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| Efrain Scharr 25.06.2012 | I spoke with Mike (DJ Endo) over the weekend... He said there is no way right now to cue tracks in external mode. Best option is to color code the samples and go from there... This is somethinng he will be addressing with the engineers as something on the wishlist for upcoming updates... I would guess this will get resolved soon enough. Seems pretty important. |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 26.06.2012 | You sir should work for NI! |
| Leota Dolney 26.06.2012 | I wish NI would address this. Having a shiny new F1 where I can't monitor the slots when mixing externally is a HUGE pain. I am believeing that they could just route the internal monitor bus to the same bus as the preview player. Or alternatively, add another output routing option like "Internal Monitor Output" or "Remix Deck Monitor Output" to the external mixing audio routing. |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 23.06.2012 | hi sorry to get back so late, have to finish off a paper for uni i'm struggling with. I'm gonna wait for the next traktor update before getting an F1 with version 2.5+ still running v2.1.1 as find that the most stable for me. what I ended up doing was routing the loop recorder with the sample/remix decks to one channel on my mixer. the fouth channel on my mixer I used for the preview player to hear what samples or songs to play next. Decks A/B both had there own channels. I was still able to record in traktor to. audio 8 settings audio out deck A ch 1/2 deck B ch 3/4 deck C ch 5/6 deck D ch 5/6 fx return (loop recorder) ch 5/6 preview payer output ch 7/8 audio 8 input settings recording input on ch 7/8 fx input on ch 5/6 (aux out from mixer into there for loop recorder) hope it makes sense. You will just have to load the samples into the preview player to hear them first instead of cueing. I guess that's a big benefit of internal mixing in traktor, being able to cue samples easily. Still not enough to make me give up my xone 62. If anybody else got a different way, would be cool to see. |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
I have, I am using the F1 with it... It seems to be almost 99% stable for me. Only issue I have had was a delay every once and a while when I scroll through the trees. Nothing too major. Please let me know your results toevening . I am believeing of picking up a digital recorder and just using one of the decks for the cueing. I don't use the 4th deck right now anyways, so I won't be missing anything. |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.06.2012 | no worries. Will check when I get home. Did you upgrade to 2.5? If so, how stable do you find it? |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
I am not by my setup right now.. sorry |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.06.2012 | If your by your setup at the mo can you see if the preview output volume control is available when mixing externally. It is when mixing internally. Audio 10 needs another plug for power, which I was trying to avoid. |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
Yeah, I am wondering if I will have to purchase an Audio 10... |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.06.2012 | I did. The last post was just dumb brainstorming. With the loop recorder return back into the mixer can the remix decks be routed onto the same channel? Leaving a spare channel to preview the samples I'ust bought an audio 8, so like you I'm wondering about cueing the samples before playing them on the remix decks . Trying to wright this on my phone at work, excuse the vague shot typing. |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
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| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.06.2012 | So say with a four channel sound card with audio 8 and 4 channel mixer, have decks a/b for ch 1 and 2, the loop recorder out put routed with remix decks onto 3 and ch 4 for preview.? |
| Leeanna Ayla 20.06.2012 | I've used Deck D for the preview player in the past so I would believe that it would work for cue as well. I can't test it right now and I've only had one cup of coffee, but can't you turn the cue off on all the other cells and just get that cell you want to hear the same way you cue a deck now? As far as recording I would get a digital recorder before I relied on Audacity to record sets. EDIT: Aggregating an Audio 2 with the Audio 8 is another option. |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.06.2012 | Yes, I had a channel for the preview features in traktor but the sound was way to loud and distorted even though all eq and gain was right down because when in external mixing mode the volume control for the preview player was disabled and on max. Not sure if it has changed in the 2.5 update. Restrained from upgrading due to previous problems with big updates. So maybe dedicating a deck for it in traktor? Losing one deck though hmmm |
| Efrain Scharr 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
Couldn't I just use Deck D I/O for the preview channel? I realize I would have to not use that deck for recording my set then... but I could use audacity to record the set.... |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.06.2012 | Looks like a preview channel is needed so audio 10 maybe. Traktor also needs to make the preview channel volume control available for external mixing. Lance do you use the loop recorder? Just curious. |
| Pansy Shiveley 19.06.2012 | I'm sorry, I somehow overlooked the fact that what I said only works when mixing internally, and has no use for you. No clue how you can get this to work with an external mixer.. |
| Efrain Scharr 19.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by StephanV
How can I hear what I am cueing? The volume on channel 3 of my external mixer needs to be up for the sounds of the sample deck C to be coming out of the main system. If I don't have one of the columns in the sample deck playing I want to cue that sample and leave the others playing, I don't want to turn them down I want to just bring in another sample, but I want to cue it first and make sure it sounds right. I would believe i need a separate channel for cueing... |
| Pansy Shiveley 19.06.2012 | I haven't got my stuff set up atm so I can't check, but I believe the cue'ing works with the volume of the samples, and not just the volume of the channel. So, say, you've got a nice beat going on in the first column of samples, you can turn the sample volume of the second row down to zero, enable the monitor button and cue what synth you're throwing on it. This all happens independently of channel or routing settings. |
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