Stanton SCS.1D
Stanton SCS.1D Posted on: 28.10.2011 by Ilana Enderson Really feeling this - I currently have a Numark Mixtrack and would really wish for a more sturdy setup that I don't need to use a shift button incessantly for. It also now only costs $700 for both decks and the mixer. Thing is, there were massive problems with this when it was released - supposed to be fixed now although I believe there is no Traktor 2 support as of yet.. which I am actually pretty okay with. Any experience with this system? The vinylness and the customization flexibility seems really cool - especially for now such a cheap price. was originally believeing about waiting for VCI 400 but this seems even better. | |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | Today I been practicing a little more on the SCS deck running TP2 and put accelleration in scratch up to 1%,it feels more TT...then today I noticed that, sometimes when I start playing the deck then start to scratch,scratch isn't activated, so the track keeps playing, I'm moving the vinyl, drop it,touch the vynil again, rub it and nothing happens,the track keeps playing on.... this is very annoying,I tried tweaking the "scratch release sens" and "scratch engage" on daRouter up and down, with no success, so then I used the controller manager to learn (listen) what midi message scs1d was sending...I came up to this: when the platter is spinning, "play on" , SCS1d doesn |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | Today I been practicing a little more on the SCS deck running TP2 and put accelleration in scratch up to 1%,it feels more TT...then today I noticed that, sometimes when I start playing the deck then start to scratch,scratch isn't activated, so the track keeps playing, I'm moving the vinyl, drop it,touch the vynil again, rub it and nothing happens,the track keeps playing on.... this is very annoying,I tried tweaking the "scratch release sens" and "scratch engage" on daRouter up and down, with no success, so then I used the controller manager to learn (listen) what midi message scs1d was sending...I came up to this: when the platter is spinning, "play on" , SCS1d doesn |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | Today I been practicing a little more on the SCS deck running TP2 and put accelleration in scratch up to 1%,it feels more TT...then today I noticed that, sometimes when I start playing the deck then start to scratch,scratch isn't activated, so the track keeps playing, I'm moving the vinyl, drop it,touch the vynil again, rub it and nothing happens,the track keeps playing on.... this is very annoying,I tried tweaking the "scratch release sens" and "scratch engage" on daRouter up and down, with no success, so then I used the controller manager to learn (listen) what midi message scs1d was sending...I came up to this: when the platter is spinning, "play on" , SCS1d doesn |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | Today I been practicing a little more on the SCS deck running TP2 and put accelleration in scratch up to 1%,it feels more TT...then today I noticed that, sometimes when I start playing the deck then start to scratch,scratch isn't activated, so the track keeps playing, I'm moving the vinyl, drop it,touch the vynil again, rub it and nothing happens,the track keeps playing on.... this is very annoying,I tried tweaking the "scratch release sens" and "scratch engage" on daRouter up and down, with no success, so then I used the controller manager to learn (listen) what midi message scs1d was sending...I came up to this: when the platter is spinning, "play on" , SCS1d doesn |
| Albina Califano 31.01.2014 |
well... my turntable does not have a needle, like the sewing machine. |
| Albina Califano 31.01.2014 | |
| Albina Califano 09.01.2013 | when mixing a track on any deck if the BPM synced isn't in the range of scs1d, lets say I'm playing a track 77BPM synced to "Master deck" of 100BPM the "Tempo Range" MUST be at least on 25% so we wont have a ramp-up on pitch.another example playing a track of 120BPM synced to "Master deck" on 100BPM th "Tempo Range" MUST be at least on 25% so we wont have a ramp-down on pitch. so all in all if mixing tracks with different BPMs for ex 70>130 I recommend having the Tempo Range on 50% for all decks and remember to always cycle "refresh" Tempo Range on deck D to the right range. |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | Today I been practicing a little more on the SCS deck running TP2 and put accelleration in scratch up to 1%,it feels more TT...then today I noticed that, sometimes when I start playing the deck then start to scratch,scratch isn't activated, so the track keeps playing, I'm moving the vinyl, drop it,touch the vynil again, rub it and nothing happens,the track keeps playing on.... this is very annoying,I tried tweaking the "scratch release sens" and "scratch engage" on daRouter up and down, with no success, so then I used the controller manager to learn (listen) what midi message scs1d was sending...I came up to this: when the platter is spinning, "play on" , SCS1d doesn |
| Claudie Cymerman 01.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by pARtybOy
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| Albina Califano 23.03.2013 | |
| Albina Califano 09.01.2013 | this NYE me and some friends did a private party and used a couple of Numark TTX and an S4,the TT splipmats weren't the best for scratching,and we are no TTpros, but we managed to have some scratching fun using some plastic sheets under the slipmats, and I brought my SCS1d,we tested it and compared it to real TT, and we got to some conclusions,the best TT emulation is using 15%sensitivity and 0%accelleration on decks ABC,and 15%sens and 1%accel only for Deck D, because of that spin bug!that spin bug, causes Deck D to have a different scratch release behaviour when using 0%accel it creates a ramp-up delay,if we use 1%accel that ramp-up is gone. Also if mixing a track on any deck if the BPM synced isn't in the range of scs1d, lets say I'm playing a track 77BPM synced to "Master deck" of 100BPM the "Tempo Range" MUST be at least on 25% so we wont have a ramp-up on pitch.another example playing a track of 120BPM synced to "Master deck" on 100BPM th "Tempo Range" MUST be at least on 25% so we wont have a ramp-down on pitch. so all in all if mixing tracks with different BPMs for ex 70>130 I recommend having the Tempo Range on 50% for all decks and remember to always cycle "refresh" Tempo Range on deck D to the right range. EDIT:deck A also needs 1% acceleration,it doesn't have the spin bug,but the scratch release has also a different behaviour like Deck D does. |
| Albina Califano 11.12.2012 | I found a Major Bug on the firmware preset for TP2 4decks, when on Deck D, platter spinning,moving the Tempo Fader doesn't affect the platter spinning speed, like it does for all other decks.I tried reflashing the firmware 1.27,no success,so it must be a preset file bug.this is bad cuz it affects the track speed when I'm scratching a slower or faster track on that deck,wich by the way,is my favorite deck for "scratching only".... anyone else can confirm this please? STANTON SUPPORT MUST SHARE A NEW FIRMWARE PRESET!!!!!!or at least share one in bmtp. so I found that I can workaround on this problem,when a track is playing on deck D, slower or faster then 0% picth if I cycle trough different "Tempo Range" or "Deck Select" it gets OK,try switching tempo range to 50%,turn tempo fader all up(-50%),the platter will spin at same speed,but if you cycle "Tempo Range" 8%-16%-25%-50% the platter will slow down to the speed it was suppose to spin,like it does on all other decks,another thing is that when doing this tempo switches,sometimes it gets a little crazy when scratching,like when dropping it playis with one tempo for 2 or 3 beats then gets in time.but if I switch between decks back to deck D it gets OK to scratch or beatmatch with no problems. I tried reflashing firmware and redownloaded presets,but its still the same bug for deck D platter spin speed. I wonder if anyone else noticed this before? |
| Albina Califano 04.12.2012 | here is a video I recorded today on the SCS.1d, EnjOy |
| Albina Califano 04.12.2012 | here is my modified .tsi using the descriptions above,for better scrtaching response, this .tsi only includes MIDI for SCS1d not SCS1m, I removed that has I just own the deck. http://www.4shared.com/file/J1quA4Ty/SCS1d_test.html this is just a test .tsi,sometimes it is solid sometimes it goes crazy when switching to deck A |
| Albina Califano 02.12.2012 | Today I found out that repeating the command CC118 isn't good,cause when we swicht between decks if one is stopped,platter stops,then switching back to a playing one,platter starts rotating, sending that message "Jog Touch On" wich will stop the track for a while,1/2beat,then back on play, causing unsync of tracks... bad solution...but without that repeat sometimes,but very few, I can't scratch at once, I have to start the track,play 1 or 2 beats then grab the vinyl, does this happen to you also using TP2? this doesn't happen in VDJ, on VDJ I can grab the vinyl and hit play at same time, if I do this in TP2 it plays 1/2 beat then stops or other times it just plays the track on... this also happens if I use my VCI,so it must be a TP2 MIDI glitch... Today I also tested that sticker drift in VDJ and it is pretty much the same as in TP2,sometimes it drifts in long distances sometimes it doesn't,but it is a bit more accurate. EDIT:Ok believe I found a solution for the problem described on the first paragraph> I still repeat the command CC118 on each deck,and add a beatjump on each deck of + /2 beat (to compensate that - /2beat on the CC118) for the button "Deck Select" on SCS1d.the fisrt I switched decks I got weird noise,but then it is OK,but I will test it further on toevening ... About those videos, we didnt have a cell phone with a decent camera to shoot some scratching, I guess we have to invite someone else to join with a good one but here is some videos I did with a friend a couple years ago, scratching on the VCI-100! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvvX...=results_video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tum7m...=results_video |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | a single deck SCS1d. about the platter drift, tested it in depht: I used a sticker to mark the vinyl, just has B.Side mentions in the videos,it has a small drift of -/+ 0.01, but only if we "travel" a long distance on the vinyl,like if I'm scratching 1 or 2 samples in 1>4beats, "ahh" "fresh" ,it barelly drifts or not at all most times, but if I scratch a full sentence,like longer than 4 beats, sometimes the sticker drifts about a centimeter sometimes more, but if I move forward and backward pattiently slow it wont drift,or drift a few millimeters,it is probably a glitch on the backspins?but then again I'm looking at the screen not to the vinyl sticker... I remember this also happens in VCI-100, maybe it is a MIDI problem...who knows?I have to test this driftting issue on VDJ... maybe tomorrow I'll post some scratching videos of myself playing on my new "toy" 8) |
| Claudie Cymerman 01.12.2012 | Oke i will give it a new try and play with some settings you mention. Do you also use the SCS 1M or only the SCS 1D? |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | Today I been practicing a little more on the SCS deck running TP2 and put accelleration in scratch up to 1%,it feels more TT...then today I noticed that, sometimes when I start playing the deck then start to scratch,scratch isn't activated, so the track keeps playing, I'm moving the vinyl, drop it,touch the vynil again, rub it and nothing happens,the track keeps playing on.... this is very annoying,I tried tweaking the "scratch release sens" and "scratch engage" on daRouter up and down, with no success, so then I used the controller manager to learn (listen) what midi message scs1d was sending...I came up to this: when the platter is spinning, "play on" , SCS1d doesn |
| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | No,has you said it isn't needed,I like the SCS1d interface with VDJ,the LEDS are bright,and have new colors,this would be cool the costumize in traktor,I alkso own a copy DJDecks,it was bought by VDJ so I will get a free copy of VDJ8,maybe I'll do the swap later on,but has I said before I believe the sratching isn't TT natural in VDJ7. |
| Claudie Cymerman 01.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by pARtybOy
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| Albina Califano 01.12.2012 | So yesterday I downloadded VDJ to give it a try,and the scratching (engaging) response there is very,very fast, unreal! turntablism is very bad "emulated" this way.... when I'm using my VCI-100 in TP2 the scratching response is very similar to VDJ but not so tight,like if I tap the touch jog very quick,I can simulate sort of a Gatter FX. using TP2 and SCS1d is the closest to a TT1200 you can get IMO. anyone editing presets for daRouter? |
| Albina Califano 29.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by madam
that sucks about the stanton support...if the brand doesn't care,f**k them!I remember a few years back with my 1st controller BCD2000,it also didn't had support from behringer to work with Traktor3,VDJ,deckadance,etc., I remember I had to use MIDI YOKE and MIDI RULES to workaround the jogwheels problem,then later some computer brain hacker made a workaround for the jogwheels to work OK,maybe if more people know about this great controller,some new hackers might come up with more solutions...it would be great!I would love to edit the preset for Traktor,edit the text stripes for FXs and Triggers, is there a way? |
| Hien Wester 29.11.2012 | The only possible negative with any Stanton units, is the lack of support. Just look at the stanton community (http://community .gibson.com/index.php?/community /112-stanton/) its DEAD as hell. The guys have been sent away, and the new guys don't give a f*** for the customers. No reply on the community , neither the PM's nor the e-mails sent to them. The SCS.1 units use to get LCD problems. Some have them right away, some (like mine) just f***s up after a little time. And guess what, Nobody replies what causes this or how could been repaired. If you buy, then buy locally with 3 years of warranty. And keep the papers in a safe place. Just in case. But if the one you buy is working, than you are right. They are the best ever controllers on the planet. But now I started to miss the VDJ skin that Stanton showed on NAMM show.SCS1_NAMM.jpg |
| Albina Califano 29.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
Now I believe I'm going to buy one or maybe two! thanks for the replies audiojunk66,you've been very helpful! |
| Claudie Cymerman 26.11.2012 | Can't you test the SCS 1D at your friends place. |
| Albina Califano 25.11.2012 | Thanks for the reply I have a friend who is selling a couple SCS1D for 225€ each,I believe it is a good deal,but I guess I'll have to let go...I wanted it specifically for scratching,so I needed a honest reply from a scs1d user,thanks again. |
| Claudie Cymerman 25.11.2012 | The response seems to be better in Traktor 2.6 but still not perfect and the platter drift is still there. In Virtual DJ everthing is much better,there's no platterdrift at all and the response is very fast,another advantage with Virtual DJ is that you don't have to use Darouter,i believe that's the reason why it works so much smoother. If you wanna buy this set to scratch in Traktor i would say don't do it,you will be disappointed or use a turntable with timecode and connect it on the SCS 1M mixer. Another reason is that Stanton don't give any support so ther's no hope for better drivers. I still believe the Stanton SCS 1D and 1M is a very good product(for the 398 |
| Albina Califano 25.11.2012 | Help!? |
| Albina Califano 23.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
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| Claudie Cymerman 06.11.2011 |
Originally Posted by madam
Originally Posted by LiamC
Changed some setting in the TSI file like delete the panknobs and replaced them for a filterknob and changed rotary acceleration from 2 to 29. Scratching sounds good but could be better. |
| Hien Wester 31.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
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| Ilana Enderson 29.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
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| Claudie Cymerman 29.10.2011 | I have a SCS1D & SCS1M and it works fine with Traktor 2.03 only problem is some platterdrift with scratching. I bought the set new for 398 |
| Ilana Enderson 28.10.2011 | http://www.moogaudio.com/stanton-sc-...ck-p-4296.html I lied - 799.99. Canadian here by the way. I am quite turned off by using VDJ - wondering about how reliable the traktor support is. Just browsing community s on the Stanton site it feels like there are solutions to the common problems with DaRouter, and that the previous major overhaul to the communication between hardware and software has resolved most issues - the only main thing now is that there is still only a beta for Traktor 2 compatibility (not a big issue to me as I am fine using 1.2.7 still). Any thoughts? Experience with these controllers with traktor? |
| Marguerite Truka 28.10.2011 | yea i mean hid. its good to see stanton are playing nicly wit sum1 shame its not NI though. just looking at the midi stack and from what i can tell from a quick look it can be hardware or software layer. Is the scs 1d just outputting midi data or some form of raw data. it would be good to see this product see its full potential just not sure how behind it stanton are these days |
| Danae Dumler 28.10.2011 | Where are you seeing that price? $700 for all three or $700 each? I see 700 per deck and another 500 for the mixer most places.
Originally Posted by LiamC
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| Diogo Dj Dragão 28.10.2011 | The SCS.1 controllers now have totally native high resolution support in VirtualDJ. This is probably your best bet for compelling performance. The native support is sick, and both Stanton and VDJ have done a great job implementing it. Tom, I believe you meant "HID". But SCS.1 controllers don't speak HID anyway - they communicate via standard MIDI. |
| Marguerite Truka 29.10.2011 | will be better when mixxx is more developed as it will have uid support, so can get the full res out of the scs 1d. unless uid gets added to traktor 2, which would be awesome. as of now it relies on da router which is ok but not great. there is also the possible of this new one software having better support for it. so we will see just stanton don't seem to have a good rep wen it comes to working with others |
| Ilana Enderson 28.10.2011 | I've seen feedback saying it was an awesome idea that integrates everything, etc.. but the breaking points were the ridiculous price and some of the features (no traktor 2, firewire, etc..). Just wondering if issues have been resolved in setting it up, as it looks great, fits all my needs, and I don't really have a problem using traktor 1.2.7. |
| Kayce Mesia 28.10.2011 | I was more than happy to get off my Mixtrack. Going from a Mixtrack to the SCS.1D/1M setup sounds rather awesome to me. But I'm not sure you'd get any personal feedback on the units, I haven't heard/seen any coverage/usage of the 1D and 1M here. |
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