Waveform stuttering issue with Traktor Pro I installed Traktor Pro on a laptop I was not using which is a 13.3" Toshiba, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T5550 2GB RAM, but noticing the occasional waveform stutter every like 15-20 seconds for like a quick second. It does not affect the audio output, but it is frustrating indeed.*
I then installed it on a 14" Toshiba laptop that is like 6 years old with just 512MB RAM, T2050 Intel processor 1.6GHz and everything is working good. When I connect my DJC4 to this laptop there is no waveform sutter and I can mix with out any hiccups.
Now my question is how come it works fine on the older laptop which has alot less RAM and under powered, but on my newer laptop I get the waveform stutter happening. My laptop has the bare basics on it since I did a fresh install of Windows XP Pro operating system and just TP software on there. The older laptop has Windows XP Media Center version. Both have the Intel Mobile Express Chipset for video only difference is my newer one is 965 version and older one is 945GM version.
Anyone know how I can fix the stuttering problem with my laptop? The CPU usage is very low so I don't know why the waveform is doing the stuttering. |
Alberta Cuttler
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
some of the big ones that cause latency spikes are wifi being on, anti virus running in the background, and the acpi battery being enabled. for me the acpi was the main culprit causing dpc spikes every 20 seconds. you can disable it through the device manager, though some people say they needed to also disable it via bios to solve their issues. ymmv.
check these out to get you going:
http://blog.dubspot.com/optimize-you...ic-production/
http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...dio+Processing
there's a recommended dpc latency checker you can download ( http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml). start there and see if you are getting spikes every 15-20 seconds. if you are do the simple stuff first (ie disable wifi, disable anti virus, disable acpi), one at a time then test run the dcp test again.
I ran the dpc latency checker and not really getting high spikes, just absolute maximum showing in the 450 with current latency jumping at times from 65-285 every few seconds. So I don't know if that is normal or could that be an issue with the constant spiking. |
Cole Maroto
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
How do you adjust and fix latency issues? Is there a setting in TP that I need to look for and change?
some of the big ones that cause latency spikes are wifi being on, anti virus running in the background, and the acpi battery being enabled. for me the acpi was the main culprit causing dpc spikes every 20 seconds. you can disable it through the device manager, though some people say they needed to also disable it via bios to solve their issues. ymmv.
check these out to get you going:
http://blog.dubspot.com/optimize-you...ic-production/
http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...dio+Processing
there's a recommended dpc latency checker you can download (http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml). start there and see if you are getting spikes every 15-20 seconds. if you are do the simple stuff first (ie disable wifi, disable anti virus, disable acpi), one at a time then test run the dcp test again. |
Alberta Cuttler
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
i hear ya. mine's not perfectly smooth either but it's really minor so i tend to not even notice to be honest. i could see how it could be annoying though.
the jumps the op gets every 20 seconds sounds like a latency issue to me due to the consistent timing but who knows for sure until you start going through the good ol' song and dance of trial and error. good times, good times.
How do you adjust and fix latency issues? Is there a setting in TP that I need to look for and change? |
Alberta Cuttler
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
have you run a dpc latency checker? i was getting latency spikes every 20 seconds like clockwork and those were resolved by disabling the acpi battery. like stated, it could be a lot of things, but it wouldn't hurt for you to run through the windows optimization steps to see if any of those things are the culprit.
I'll try your suggestions and see if it helps get rid of the stuttering.
Originally Posted by balakoth
Im not the OP, but for myself, ive done those things on various machines and mine doesnt stutter, its just not smooth.. EVER.. no hitching at certain points etc, its just.. jerky heh..
Before and after optimizations I never had or have gotten latency spikes. Ill live, its just an annoyance heh.
Originally Posted by squidot
i hear ya. mine's not perfectly smooth either but it's really minor so i tend to not even notice to be honest. i could see how it could be annoying though.
the jumps the op gets every 20 seconds sounds like a latency issue to me due to the consistent timing but who knows for sure until you start going through the good ol' song and dance of trial and error. good times, good times.
The thing that is weird is why the waveform runs smooth and does not stutter at all with the laptop with only 512MB RAM and such a low end processor while the 2MB RAM machine with Core 2 Duo stutters noticeably every 15 seconds or so for a 1 second. The only thing I can believe of is maybe something else is running the background since it was a newer machine and it could have other apps/processes running that I might not be aware of. I believe it has Bluetooth as well so that might be something I should look into and try to turn off. |
Cole Maroto
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
Im not the OP, but for myself, ive done those things on various machines and mine doesnt stutter, its just not smooth.. EVER.. no hitching at certain points etc, its just.. jerky heh..
Before and after optimizations I never had or have gotten latency spikes. Ill live, its just an annoyance heh.
i hear ya. mine's not perfectly smooth either but it's really minor so i tend to not even notice to be honest. i could see how it could be annoying though.
the jumps the op gets every 20 seconds sounds like a latency issue to me due to the consistent timing but who knows for sure until you start going through the good ol' song and dance of trial and error. good times, good times. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
have you run a dpc latency checker? i was getting latency spikes every 20 seconds like clockwork and those were resolved by disabling the acpi battery. like stated, it could be a lot of things, but it wouldn't hurt for you to run through the windows optimization steps to see if any of those things are the culprit.
Im not the OP, but for myself, ive done those things on various machines and mine doesnt stutter, its just not smooth.. EVER.. no hitching at certain points etc, its just.. jerky heh..
Before and after optimizations I never had or have gotten latency spikes. Ill live, its just an annoyance heh. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
My waveforms stutter too, but it hasn't really bothered me. Now, I'm going to get a complex. Actually, after using the Traktor DJ app, it's kind of annoying how much better the waveforms look in that vs. the real version of Traktor.
They need to release that for other platforms.. but I dont own, want or need any Apple products.. So I gotta wait until NI Apple Love fest dies down slightly, and they decide to actually target 95 percent of the market lol Sad Panda here |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
None taken. I get what you mean, but if it's not affecting the audio, what does it matter? It could be a million different things.
I like pretty smooth colors? I dunno.. Non perfection is a pet peve of mine.. and thats the only damn thing wrong wtih that Machine/traktor setup lol
Ive seen completely identical mac books.. fresh from the boxes do opposite things.. I might just be more curious.. as a career developer to know wtf is going on hehe |
Sonja Roybal
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
No offense to you but im tired of this response. At 24 gb of ram, Quad Core, and a 660 GTX 2 GB Video Card... I should be able to watch a movie and still get smooth wave forms. I swear Native Instruments randomly places 7 year old children into their code development team to roll our some of their drivers and software updates.
None taken. I get what you mean, but if it's not affecting the audio, what does it matter? It could be a million different things. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
04.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
It could be a ton of things. Maybe something running in the background? Dropbox and iCloud give me spikes as they try to sync every few seconds. If it doesn't affect the audio, it doesn't matter.
No offense to you but im tired of this response. At 24 gb of ram, Quad Core, and a 660 GTX 2 GB Video Card... I should be able to watch a movie and still get smooth wave forms. I swear Native Instruments randomly places 7 year old children into their code development team to roll our some of their drivers and software updates. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
04.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
I installed Traktor Pro on a laptop I was not using which is a 13.3" Toshiba, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T5550 2GB RAM, but noticing the occasional waveform stutter every like 15-20 seconds for like a quick second. It does not affect the audio output, but it is frustrating indeed.*
I then installed it on a 14" Toshiba laptop that is like 6 years old with just 512MB RAM, T2050 Intel processor 1.6GHz and everything is working good. When I connect my DJC4 to this laptop there is no waveform sutter and I can mix with out any hiccups.
Now my question is how come it works fine on the older laptop which has alot less RAM and under powered, but on my newer laptop I get the waveform stutter happening. My laptop has the bare basics on it since I did a fresh install of Windows XP Pro operating system and just TP software on there. The older laptop has Windows XP Media Center version. Both have the Intel Mobile Express Chipset for video only difference is my newer one is 965 version and older one is 945GM version.
Anyone know how I can fix the stuttering problem with my laptop? The CPU usage is very low so I don't know why the waveform is doing the stuttering.
This seems to be a random hardware Traktor anomaly, my wave form is not smooth scrolling period at all... even after a Fresh Install of Windows 7, 24 gb of Ram, Quad Core i7 with Solid State Drives.
Yet my buddies old arse toshiba has no issues. Makes very little sense, and of course you get copy and paste responses from NI and everyone else and their mom about it (Turn off extra programs blah blah blah) Its clearly not the issue as ive tried the barest bones of installations JUST to see, and still.. no bueno so now i just deal with it as I hardly use the wave forms anyways |
Alberta Cuttler
04.04.2013 | I installed Traktor Pro on a laptop I was not using which is a 13.3" Toshiba, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T5550 2GB RAM, but noticing the occasional waveform stutter every like 15-20 seconds for like a quick second. It does not affect the audio output, but it is frustrating indeed.*
I then installed it on a 14" Toshiba laptop that is like 6 years old with just 512MB RAM, T2050 Intel processor 1.6GHz and everything is working good. When I connect my DJC4 to this laptop there is no waveform sutter and I can mix with out any hiccups.
Now my question is how come it works fine on the older laptop which has alot less RAM and under powered, but on my newer laptop I get the waveform stutter happening. My laptop has the bare basics on it since I did a fresh install of Windows XP Pro operating system and just TP software on there. The older laptop has Windows XP Media Center version. Both have the Intel Mobile Express Chipset for video only difference is my newer one is 965 version and older one is 945GM version.
Anyone know how I can fix the stuttering problem with my laptop? The CPU usage is very low so I don't know why the waveform is doing the stuttering. |
Alberta Cuttler
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
some of the big ones that cause latency spikes are wifi being on, anti virus running in the background, and the acpi battery being enabled. for me the acpi was the main culprit causing dpc spikes every 20 seconds. you can disable it through the device manager, though some people say they needed to also disable it via bios to solve their issues. ymmv.
check these out to get you going:
http://blog.dubspot.com/optimize-you...ic-production/
http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...dio+Processing
there's a recommended dpc latency checker you can download ( http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml). start there and see if you are getting spikes every 15-20 seconds. if you are do the simple stuff first (ie disable wifi, disable anti virus, disable acpi), one at a time then test run the dcp test again.
I ran the dpc latency checker and not really getting high spikes, just absolute maximum showing in the 450 with current latency jumping at times from 65-285 every few seconds. So I don't know if that is normal or could that be an issue with the constant spiking. |
Cole Maroto
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
How do you adjust and fix latency issues? Is there a setting in TP that I need to look for and change?
some of the big ones that cause latency spikes are wifi being on, anti virus running in the background, and the acpi battery being enabled. for me the acpi was the main culprit causing dpc spikes every 20 seconds. you can disable it through the device manager, though some people say they needed to also disable it via bios to solve their issues. ymmv.
check these out to get you going:
http://blog.dubspot.com/optimize-you...ic-production/
http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...dio+Processing
there's a recommended dpc latency checker you can download (http://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml). start there and see if you are getting spikes every 15-20 seconds. if you are do the simple stuff first (ie disable wifi, disable anti virus, disable acpi), one at a time then test run the dcp test again. |
Alberta Cuttler
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
i hear ya. mine's not perfectly smooth either but it's really minor so i tend to not even notice to be honest. i could see how it could be annoying though.
the jumps the op gets every 20 seconds sounds like a latency issue to me due to the consistent timing but who knows for sure until you start going through the good ol' song and dance of trial and error. good times, good times.
How do you adjust and fix latency issues? Is there a setting in TP that I need to look for and change? |
Alberta Cuttler
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
have you run a dpc latency checker? i was getting latency spikes every 20 seconds like clockwork and those were resolved by disabling the acpi battery. like stated, it could be a lot of things, but it wouldn't hurt for you to run through the windows optimization steps to see if any of those things are the culprit.
I'll try your suggestions and see if it helps get rid of the stuttering.
Originally Posted by balakoth
Im not the OP, but for myself, ive done those things on various machines and mine doesnt stutter, its just not smooth.. EVER.. no hitching at certain points etc, its just.. jerky heh..
Before and after optimizations I never had or have gotten latency spikes. Ill live, its just an annoyance heh.
Originally Posted by squidot
i hear ya. mine's not perfectly smooth either but it's really minor so i tend to not even notice to be honest. i could see how it could be annoying though.
the jumps the op gets every 20 seconds sounds like a latency issue to me due to the consistent timing but who knows for sure until you start going through the good ol' song and dance of trial and error. good times, good times.
The thing that is weird is why the waveform runs smooth and does not stutter at all with the laptop with only 512MB RAM and such a low end processor while the 2MB RAM machine with Core 2 Duo stutters noticeably every 15 seconds or so for a 1 second. The only thing I can believe of is maybe something else is running the background since it was a newer machine and it could have other apps/processes running that I might not be aware of. I believe it has Bluetooth as well so that might be something I should look into and try to turn off. |
Cole Maroto
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
Im not the OP, but for myself, ive done those things on various machines and mine doesnt stutter, its just not smooth.. EVER.. no hitching at certain points etc, its just.. jerky heh..
Before and after optimizations I never had or have gotten latency spikes. Ill live, its just an annoyance heh.
i hear ya. mine's not perfectly smooth either but it's really minor so i tend to not even notice to be honest. i could see how it could be annoying though.
the jumps the op gets every 20 seconds sounds like a latency issue to me due to the consistent timing but who knows for sure until you start going through the good ol' song and dance of trial and error. good times, good times. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by squidot
have you run a dpc latency checker? i was getting latency spikes every 20 seconds like clockwork and those were resolved by disabling the acpi battery. like stated, it could be a lot of things, but it wouldn't hurt for you to run through the windows optimization steps to see if any of those things are the culprit.
Im not the OP, but for myself, ive done those things on various machines and mine doesnt stutter, its just not smooth.. EVER.. no hitching at certain points etc, its just.. jerky heh..
Before and after optimizations I never had or have gotten latency spikes. Ill live, its just an annoyance heh. |
Cole Maroto
05.04.2013 | have you run a dpc latency checker? i was getting latency spikes every 20 seconds like clockwork and those were resolved by disabling the acpi battery. like stated, it could be a lot of things, but it wouldn't hurt for you to run through the windows optimization steps to see if any of those things are the culprit. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 | Im still waiting for a Tablet that doesnt annoy the crap out of me.. So the Ipad isnt alone in that game heh. Windows 8 is a complete waste of time, and I cant stand the Android OS.. Im SOL for awhile I believe. |
Sonja Roybal
05.04.2013 | I bought the iPad for Traktor DJ. It was my first Apple product. iOS is an absolute bitch of a platform. I despise it. The iPad is cool for what it does, but it's so unbelievably limited because of the restrictions Apple puts on it. It's incredibly frustrating. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
My waveforms stutter too, but it hasn't really bothered me. Now, I'm going to get a complex. Actually, after using the Traktor DJ app, it's kind of annoying how much better the waveforms look in that vs. the real version of Traktor.
They need to release that for other platforms.. but I dont own, want or need any Apple products.. So I gotta wait until NI Apple Love fest dies down slightly, and they decide to actually target 95 percent of the market lol Sad Panda here |
Sonja Roybal
05.04.2013 | My waveforms stutter too, but it hasn't really bothered me. Now, I'm going to get a complex. Actually, after using the Traktor DJ app, it's kind of annoying how much better the waveforms look in that vs. the real version of Traktor. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
None taken. I get what you mean, but if it's not affecting the audio, what does it matter? It could be a million different things.
I like pretty smooth colors? I dunno.. Non perfection is a pet peve of mine.. and thats the only damn thing wrong wtih that Machine/traktor setup lol
Ive seen completely identical mac books.. fresh from the boxes do opposite things.. I might just be more curious.. as a career developer to know wtf is going on hehe |
Sonja Roybal
05.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
No offense to you but im tired of this response. At 24 gb of ram, Quad Core, and a 660 GTX 2 GB Video Card... I should be able to watch a movie and still get smooth wave forms. I swear Native Instruments randomly places 7 year old children into their code development team to roll our some of their drivers and software updates.
None taken. I get what you mean, but if it's not affecting the audio, what does it matter? It could be a million different things. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
04.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
It could be a ton of things. Maybe something running in the background? Dropbox and iCloud give me spikes as they try to sync every few seconds. If it doesn't affect the audio, it doesn't matter.
No offense to you but im tired of this response. At 24 gb of ram, Quad Core, and a 660 GTX 2 GB Video Card... I should be able to watch a movie and still get smooth wave forms. I swear Native Instruments randomly places 7 year old children into their code development team to roll our some of their drivers and software updates. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
04.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
I installed Traktor Pro on a laptop I was not using which is a 13.3" Toshiba, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T5550 2GB RAM, but noticing the occasional waveform stutter every like 15-20 seconds for like a quick second. It does not affect the audio output, but it is frustrating indeed.*
I then installed it on a 14" Toshiba laptop that is like 6 years old with just 512MB RAM, T2050 Intel processor 1.6GHz and everything is working good. When I connect my DJC4 to this laptop there is no waveform sutter and I can mix with out any hiccups.
Now my question is how come it works fine on the older laptop which has alot less RAM and under powered, but on my newer laptop I get the waveform stutter happening. My laptop has the bare basics on it since I did a fresh install of Windows XP Pro operating system and just TP software on there. The older laptop has Windows XP Media Center version. Both have the Intel Mobile Express Chipset for video only difference is my newer one is 965 version and older one is 945GM version.
Anyone know how I can fix the stuttering problem with my laptop? The CPU usage is very low so I don't know why the waveform is doing the stuttering.
This seems to be a random hardware Traktor anomaly, my wave form is not smooth scrolling period at all... even after a Fresh Install of Windows 7, 24 gb of Ram, Quad Core i7 with Solid State Drives.
Yet my buddies old arse toshiba has no issues. Makes very little sense, and of course you get copy and paste responses from NI and everyone else and their mom about it (Turn off extra programs blah blah blah) Its clearly not the issue as ive tried the barest bones of installations JUST to see, and still.. no bueno so now i just deal with it as I hardly use the wave forms anyways |
Sonja Roybal
04.04.2013 | It could be a ton of things. Maybe something running in the background? Dropbox and iCloud give me spikes as they try to sync every few seconds. If it doesn't affect the audio, it doesn't matter. |
