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Pioneer DJC-WeCAi. What the hell pioneer?
Posted on: 04.04.2013 by Dannie Dimora
I saw this yesterday. At first glance i thought it was some kind of late april's fools joke, because of the name, then i realized pioneer really did this.
Basically it's a glorified goddamn split usb cable.
Ok, there is a reason behind this, and it's that the ipad itself cannot power the ergo or the wego, but charging (pun not intended) 35$ for a cable that is worth no more than 2 cents? At least color it, put some premium interconnects on, two ferrites, and you at least have a cosmetic reason to sell a cable for that price. But like this?

Any opinions?
(no i don't hate pioneer, i just dislike this uninformed customer ripoff thing that's going on lately with some brands)

http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...oller-and-iPad
Mimi Mahaffee
07.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
yeah cable prices can go real bad real fast
http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordos...er%20Cable.htm
I have tried that cable, still prefer my Nac A5 goodlooking cable tho
Dannie Dimora
06.04.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
~$100 cabling has absolutely nothing to do with signal quality to any real meaningful degree. Yeah, sure, there might be some marginal aliasing that might get smoothed out a bit, but not anything really meaningful. The real reason you spend ~$300 on cabling is the actual quality of the cable, wrap, and terminals. Cheap cables work fine, but investing a relatively tiny amount in making sure your connections are always solid isn't actually a half bad idea.

People are just so desensitized to disposable, static, consumer lines that they look at anything made to last and believe it's ridiculous. The Monoprice lines I've had for a month are currently shot, and could very well go out on me. In a bedroom, nobody cares, but in a modular professional/touring setup, people really underestimate how obliterated cheap cabling gets really quickly, especially in hostile environments (90% of professional setups). Investing what I spent in cases protecting my gear in solid, borderline immortal lines isn't actually ridiculous.

Yeah, sure, you can get a disposable Chinese plastic mould for a few dollars, but those terminals and shielding have maybe a month in them on the road before they fry on you in the middle of a rig. Getting boggled by mid-priced cabling is like getting stunned by the fact that people spend ~$500 on cases.
Yeah, but we're talking about reasonably priced high end cables, say mogami, and reasonably priced high end connectors.
Not the nordost/furutech 9000$/meter stuff..
Rolanda Clodfelder
05.04.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
blame apple for having 1 crap port

why the hell do macbooks only have 2 usb's in 2013!!!
Macbooks have nothing to do with this cable :-S its designed for Ipads.

For the record I never found 2 USB ports anyway limiting with a half decent hub.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
blame apple for having 1 crap port

why the hell do macbooks only have 2 usb's in 2013!!!
They were to busy believeing about ways they could overcharge for the rest of the product they forgot some basic necessities I suppose
Nancey Inderlied
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
Great for science, but not cost effective for blasting Gangnam Style at 500 absolutely munted people.
~$100 cabling has absolutely nothing to do with signal quality to any real meaningful degree. Yeah, sure, there might be some marginal aliasing that might get smoothed out a bit, but not anything really meaningful. The real reason you spend ~$300 on cabling is the actual quality of the cable, wrap, and terminals. Cheap cables work fine, but investing a relatively tiny amount in making sure your connections are always solid isn't actually a half bad idea.

People are just so desensitized to disposable, static, consumer lines that they look at anything made to last and believe it's ridiculous. The Monoprice lines I've had for a month are currently shot, and could very well go out on me. In a bedroom, nobody cares, but in a modular professional/touring setup, people really underestimate how obliterated cheap cabling gets really quickly, especially in hostile environments (90% of professional setups). Investing what I spent in cases protecting my gear in solid, borderline immortal lines isn't actually ridiculous.

Yeah, sure, you can get a disposable Chinese plastic mould for a few dollars, but those terminals and shielding have maybe a month in them on the road before they fry on you in the middle of a rig. Getting boggled by mid-priced cabling is like getting stunned by the fact that people spend ~$500 on cases.
Doreen Schurle
04.04.2013		I used to have my entire audio setup wired up with Monitor Audio Pureflow stuff; it's normally
Jetta Drenzek
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
yeah cable prices can go real bad real fast
http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordos...er%20Cable.htm
Great for science, but not cost effective for blasting Gangnam Style at 500 absolutely munted people.
Dannie Dimora
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Oh wait... http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-XL...=Pioneer+Cable

And

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-DG..._bxgy_MI_img_y

EDIT: Look at the price of that Denon one
yeah cable prices can go real bad real fast
http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordos...er%20Cable.htm
Dannie Dimora
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
Well Apple does the same shit. $30 for a $1 fucking converter (the old iPhone charger to the new 5-pin bullshit), or $40 for 2cent plastic cases for your phone.

It's business. It's unreasonably priced compared to what you can get at the market, but I am pretty sure they did market research and did their homework and will sell these.
It's different, inside the cable there is an ARM chip... and a whole load of other small components that add up to the cost.
This? no.
Jerica Salava
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Oh wait... http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-XL...=Pioneer+Cable

And

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-DG..._bxgy_MI_img_y

EDIT: Look at the price of that Denon one
holy shit !!!!
Mimi Mahaffee
07.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
yeah cable prices can go real bad real fast
http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordos...er%20Cable.htm
I have tried that cable, still prefer my Nac A5 goodlooking cable tho
Dannie Dimora
06.04.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
~$100 cabling has absolutely nothing to do with signal quality to any real meaningful degree. Yeah, sure, there might be some marginal aliasing that might get smoothed out a bit, but not anything really meaningful. The real reason you spend ~$300 on cabling is the actual quality of the cable, wrap, and terminals. Cheap cables work fine, but investing a relatively tiny amount in making sure your connections are always solid isn't actually a half bad idea.

People are just so desensitized to disposable, static, consumer lines that they look at anything made to last and believe it's ridiculous. The Monoprice lines I've had for a month are currently shot, and could very well go out on me. In a bedroom, nobody cares, but in a modular professional/touring setup, people really underestimate how obliterated cheap cabling gets really quickly, especially in hostile environments (90% of professional setups). Investing what I spent in cases protecting my gear in solid, borderline immortal lines isn't actually ridiculous.

Yeah, sure, you can get a disposable Chinese plastic mould for a few dollars, but those terminals and shielding have maybe a month in them on the road before they fry on you in the middle of a rig. Getting boggled by mid-priced cabling is like getting stunned by the fact that people spend ~$500 on cases.
Yeah, but we're talking about reasonably priced high end cables, say mogami, and reasonably priced high end connectors.
Not the nordost/furutech 9000$/meter stuff..
Rolanda Clodfelder
05.04.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
blame apple for having 1 crap port

why the hell do macbooks only have 2 usb's in 2013!!!
Macbooks have nothing to do with this cable :-S its designed for Ipads.

For the record I never found 2 USB ports anyway limiting with a half decent hub.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by MRG12EG
blame apple for having 1 crap port

why the hell do macbooks only have 2 usb's in 2013!!!
They were to busy believeing about ways they could overcharge for the rest of the product they forgot some basic necessities I suppose
Nancey Inderlied
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
Great for science, but not cost effective for blasting Gangnam Style at 500 absolutely munted people.
~$100 cabling has absolutely nothing to do with signal quality to any real meaningful degree. Yeah, sure, there might be some marginal aliasing that might get smoothed out a bit, but not anything really meaningful. The real reason you spend ~$300 on cabling is the actual quality of the cable, wrap, and terminals. Cheap cables work fine, but investing a relatively tiny amount in making sure your connections are always solid isn't actually a half bad idea.

People are just so desensitized to disposable, static, consumer lines that they look at anything made to last and believe it's ridiculous. The Monoprice lines I've had for a month are currently shot, and could very well go out on me. In a bedroom, nobody cares, but in a modular professional/touring setup, people really underestimate how obliterated cheap cabling gets really quickly, especially in hostile environments (90% of professional setups). Investing what I spent in cases protecting my gear in solid, borderline immortal lines isn't actually ridiculous.

Yeah, sure, you can get a disposable Chinese plastic mould for a few dollars, but those terminals and shielding have maybe a month in them on the road before they fry on you in the middle of a rig. Getting boggled by mid-priced cabling is like getting stunned by the fact that people spend ~$500 on cases.
Doreen Schurle
04.04.2013		I used to have my entire audio setup wired up with Monitor Audio Pureflow stuff; it's normally
Jetta Drenzek
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
yeah cable prices can go real bad real fast
http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordos...er%20Cable.htm
Great for science, but not cost effective for blasting Gangnam Style at 500 absolutely munted people.
Dannie Dimora
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Oh wait... http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-XL...=Pioneer+Cable

And

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-DG..._bxgy_MI_img_y

EDIT: Look at the price of that Denon one
yeah cable prices can go real bad real fast
http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordos...er%20Cable.htm
Dannie Dimora
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
Well Apple does the same shit. $30 for a $1 fucking converter (the old iPhone charger to the new 5-pin bullshit), or $40 for 2cent plastic cases for your phone.

It's business. It's unreasonably priced compared to what you can get at the market, but I am pretty sure they did market research and did their homework and will sell these.
It's different, inside the cable there is an ARM chip... and a whole load of other small components that add up to the cost.
This? no.
Alphonso Deitchman
04.04.2013		In the case of the Lightning to HDMI adapter, there is an entire ARM SoC running inside along with 256MB RAM. There might be something similar in the converter you mentioned.
Carlee Pickard
04.04.2013		Well Apple does the same shit. $30 for a $1 fucking converter (the old iPhone charger to the new 5-pin bullshit), or $40 for 2cent plastic cases for your phone.

It's business. It's unreasonably priced compared to what you can get at the market, but I am pretty sure they did market research and did their homework and will sell these.
Jerica Salava
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Oh wait... http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-XL...=Pioneer+Cable

And

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-DG..._bxgy_MI_img_y

EDIT: Look at the price of that Denon one
holy shit !!!!
Doreen Schurle
04.04.2013		Oh wait... http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-XL...=Pioneer+Cable

And

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-DAS-DG..._bxgy_MI_img_y

EDIT: Look at the price of that Denon one
Alphonso Deitchman
04.04.2013		They include ethernet cables with their Link capable players.
Doreen Schurle
04.04.2013		A Pioneer-branded one of these maybe?

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-De...924090-4123534
Jetta Drenzek
04.04.2013		Pioneer charging too much for something?

Whatever next!
Dannie Dimora
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
I don't know but this is pretty Fing impressive:



>
I know, but you can't thank the cable for that performance. This is nothing new
Jeffrey Akinsanya
04.04.2013		blame apple for having 1 crap port

why the hell do macbooks only have 2 usb's in 2013!!!
Jerica Salava
04.04.2013		I don't know but this is pretty Fing impressive:



>
Alphonso Deitchman
04.04.2013		Any hard drive cable that has those 2 connectors for extra power should work just the same.
Dannie Dimora
05.04.2013
Originally Posted by deevey
Whats uninformed ? .. they clearly state what the cable does.

And you have options.

1. Make your own cable if you can figure it out.
2. Buy one somewhere else if its available
3. Dont use an iPad with charging function
4. If you cannot make one, or buy one elsewhere or want to use an ipad with charging functionality suck it up.

Its a niche product, and niche products demand a higher price to offset manufacturing costs.

Also its only a suggested retail price, so expect it'll be less on the highstreet or when bundled with the WeGo.

At least they aren't changing as much as Monster would
Uninformed is the fact that on their website they kind of say it's their "special cable" that makes playing tracks from the device's library, hot cues, sampler, effects, scratching and all this stuff possible. I know it's marketing speech, but i still hate it nonetheless.
At least this is how i see it
Rolanda Clodfelder
04.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
st have a cosmetic reason to sell a cable for that price. But like this?

Any opinions?
(no i don't hate pioneer, i just dislike this uninformed customer ripoff thing that's going on lately with some brands)
Whats uninformed ? .. they clearly state what the cable does.

And you have options.

1. Make your own cable if you can figure it out.
2. Buy one somewhere else if its available
3. Dont use an iPad with charging function
4. If you cannot make one, or buy one elsewhere or want to use an ipad with charging functionality suck it up.

Its a niche product, and niche products demand a higher price to offset manufacturing costs.

Also its only a suggested retail price, so expect it'll be less on the highstreet or when bundled with the WeGo.

At least they aren't changing as much as Monster would

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