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Pacha in Ibiza cutting top tier djs from their line up
Posted on: 08.04.2013 by Rochel Papillion
Toya Spor
10.04.2013
Latina Samon
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
+1 ...has been for a good few years now. Electric Elephant is a festival we have been wanting to go to for some time now.

I've been to Ibiza and I can safely say I would never go again unless it was 100% free.
There isn't much going on outside of festivals though is there (music wise I mean)?
I know people that have been to Hideout and said while it was good, it's become as commercial as anywhere and is a rip off. Also difficult to get hold of.....you know, stuff....if that's your thing.

Personally I believe Ibiza is amazing if you stay away from certain places. Where did you stay/go when there, Karlos?
Shawn Vanhaitsma
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
This, basic economics. The new ease of access into the DJ hobby has uncovered some truly talented people who before would never have had a chance. It's not as easy to be Bigbollocks McSpinnydecks now that some kid in his bedroom can do it better.
Basic club goers are Lemming drones now a days. They book these DJs because its a big "name" and they play an hour of anthems. Most of these people just heard of Teisto last year, and just follow the fads.

Thats why some make it seem like the music hasnt evolved.. Some people, stick with what makes them 6 figures and a majority of the public just accepts whats mainstream and shoved down their throats.

Its a sad sad time
nayit ruiz jaramillo
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Croatia is the new Ibiza anyways.
+1 ...has been for a good few years now. Electric Elephant is a festival we have been wanting to go to for some time now.

I've been to Ibiza and I can safely say I would never go again unless it was 100% free.
Latina Samon
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by OmniRoss
Well, maybe for Outlook.
They have Hideout and Unknown now as well but it's far from the new Ibiza at the moment.
Annalisa Shogren
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Croatia is the new Ibiza anyways.
Well, maybe for Outlook.
Jetta Drenzek
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by protocol
Supply and demand theory seems relevant here. It's funny that they would want more money to play less, when the supply of skilled and known DJs / EDM artists in the world has never been greater.

It's arguable whether or not the demand has risen for them though. If a club needs a few resident DJs and needs to bring in events X times a month (constant demand), it would seem risky to demand more money when there are plenty of skilled and well known alternatives who will happily play for less.
This, basic economics. The new ease of access into the DJ hobby has uncovered some truly talented people who before would never have had a chance. It's not as easy to be Bigbollocks McSpinnydecks now that some kid in his bedroom can do it better.
Toya Spor
10.04.2013
Latina Samon
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
Yeah, i couldn't agree more. I should of said ''Big DJ's within the EDM/Commercial scene'' not that that would bother me. They can sling their hook to the states. The big names within 'proper' music will be staying as you said. And the UK only statement was pretty general. Im sure you could run Ibiza just from the amount of Brits that go there every year is what i was getting at.
Yeah possibly, particularly the West End and the like!
There's been a lot of Marbella type bars opening up, which is obviously going to attract a less underground crowd as well. But then Ushuaia has some amazing lineups in amongst the bad ones. Sven Vath, Luciano, Locodice, Maya Jane Coles, Voorn, Reboot, Andrea Oliva and Uner at their opening party to name one!
Corey Tronchin
10.04.2013
I like it!

Since the big money is to be made in the US, you'll get an automatic seperation of the money grabbers and the other dj's.
Latina Samon
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
+1 ...has been for a good few years now. Electric Elephant is a festival we have been wanting to go to for some time now.

I've been to Ibiza and I can safely say I would never go again unless it was 100% free.
There isn't much going on outside of festivals though is there (music wise I mean)?
I know people that have been to Hideout and said while it was good, it's become as commercial as anywhere and is a rip off. Also difficult to get hold of.....you know, stuff....if that's your thing.

Personally I believe Ibiza is amazing if you stay away from certain places. Where did you stay/go when there, Karlos?
Shawn Vanhaitsma
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
This, basic economics. The new ease of access into the DJ hobby has uncovered some truly talented people who before would never have had a chance. It's not as easy to be Bigbollocks McSpinnydecks now that some kid in his bedroom can do it better.
Basic club goers are Lemming drones now a days. They book these DJs because its a big "name" and they play an hour of anthems. Most of these people just heard of Teisto last year, and just follow the fads.

Thats why some make it seem like the music hasnt evolved.. Some people, stick with what makes them 6 figures and a majority of the public just accepts whats mainstream and shoved down their throats.

Its a sad sad time
nayit ruiz jaramillo
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Croatia is the new Ibiza anyways.
+1 ...has been for a good few years now. Electric Elephant is a festival we have been wanting to go to for some time now.

I've been to Ibiza and I can safely say I would never go again unless it was 100% free.
Latina Samon
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by OmniRoss
Well, maybe for Outlook.
They have Hideout and Unknown now as well but it's far from the new Ibiza at the moment.
Annalisa Shogren
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Croatia is the new Ibiza anyways.
Well, maybe for Outlook.
Janyce Henningson
09.04.2013
Croatia is the new Ibiza anyways.
Jetta Drenzek
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by protocol
Supply and demand theory seems relevant here. It's funny that they would want more money to play less, when the supply of skilled and known DJs / EDM artists in the world has never been greater.

It's arguable whether or not the demand has risen for them though. If a club needs a few resident DJs and needs to bring in events X times a month (constant demand), it would seem risky to demand more money when there are plenty of skilled and well known alternatives who will happily play for less.
This, basic economics. The new ease of access into the DJ hobby has uncovered some truly talented people who before would never have had a chance. It's not as easy to be Bigbollocks McSpinnydecks now that some kid in his bedroom can do it better.
Toya Spor
10.04.2013
Latina Samon
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
Yeah, i couldn't agree more. I should of said ''Big DJ's within the EDM/Commercial scene'' not that that would bother me. They can sling their hook to the states. The big names within 'proper' music will be staying as you said. And the UK only statement was pretty general. Im sure you could run Ibiza just from the amount of Brits that go there every year is what i was getting at.
Yeah possibly, particularly the West End and the like!
There's been a lot of Marbella type bars opening up, which is obviously going to attract a less underground crowd as well. But then Ushuaia has some amazing lineups in amongst the bad ones. Sven Vath, Luciano, Locodice, Maya Jane Coles, Voorn, Reboot, Andrea Oliva and Uner at their opening party to name one!
Rochel Papillion
09.04.2013
just for thoughts but if you believe about it, most djs dont just dj anymore. you have to produce and be (or have) graphic designer, marketing people promoter and all types of other shits and some of these guys have to pay those other people that do the work behind the scene so is it that ridiculous that they ask all that money?
there is a certain level of success you reach where its more about putting in a show than just playing music.
Rana Rigling
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Telegraph Article
Electronic music, Piti Urgell said last month, “hasn’t evolved in 20 years and is for idiots.”
Fair play to them they started Pacha up and all that but really? Come on, man. Maybe try not booking DJs who push such a boring and monotonous sound.

Hakkasan LV is mentioned in the article too. Anyone seen their event listings for this month? Two evening s each for Deadmau5, Tiesto and Calvin Harris along with single evening s for Laidback Luke, Steve Aoki, Hardwell and a few others. Yeeaaaah... nothx.
Alease Fitch
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by tekki

How nice of you, bear in mind Ibiza is not a hardstyle island though.
Well, it's a good thing I spin House then... ^^
Random X
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jayvee
And Jayvee as an opener to keep it dutch.

How nice of you, bear in mind Ibiza is not a hardstyle island though.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
09.04.2013
nayit ruiz jaramillo
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by enorjy
nothing interesting is happening in Ibiza
I corrected that for you.
Alease Fitch
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by tekki
They're just making slots available for RSTRCTD to play in.
And Jayvee as an opener to keep it dutch.
Random X
09.04.2013
They're just making slots available for RSTRCTD to play in.

Mirian Gaura
09.04.2013
This is the problem...

“The D.J.’s wanted more money to play less,”

It's happening in the UK too.
Lashawn Maycock
09.04.2013
....and booze, bound to drop in price ;D

If the 'EDM' DJ's are planning to ditch Beefa for LV, I'll happily chip in some money for their plane ticket (economy class though!). Good move by Pacha in some respects, Pacha had become a bit of a joke IMHO, at least with Gerber it might help gain back some credibility.
Brunilda Kora
09.04.2013
Ticket/door prices will be coming down, then?!?

I doubt that.
Lillia Datson
09.04.2013
Originally Posted by KS2
Bigger DJs will migrate there? Like Lance says below, it's mainly the edm crap that goes there properly. Yeah, the real big DJs go there too but they certainly aren't migrating from Ibiza. Space, Ushuaia, DC10 and now Sankeys are where the big boys come out to play regularly, and are fully appreciated. It's also not 'only for the UK'. The island is full of Germans/Italians/Spanish etc. Solomun's new evening at Pacha looks like it'll have some good lineups though, as well the the badly named 'Insane Ibiza' and Guy Gerber's evening . Tiesto and the like can take their crowd elsewhere. He attracted every chav going.

Vegas is not attracting anyone away from Ibiza either, that's ridiculous.

This is a better direction for Pacha though. Just ditch Guetta now.


Yeah, i couldn't agree more. I should of said ''Big DJ's within the EDM/Commercial scene'' not that that would bother me. They can sling their hook to the states. The big names within 'proper' music will be staying as you said. And the UK only statement was pretty general. Im sure you could run Ibiza just from the amount of Brits that go there every year is what i was getting at.
Meridith Betsinger
09.04.2013
I wonder how this is going to affect the bottom line for them....

They sound just as greedy as the djs...their business has blown up and now they deny the people who brought them where they are.

Not to be extreme, but this could probably just drive the whole thing underground again or at least big venues aren't going to be relevant anymore.
Latina Samon
08.04.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
I dont believe Ibiza's ship is sunk just yet!

I can see where pacha's owners are coming from. The money is in the states, as Dance/EDM/House-whichever genre you want to label it as, has grown more accessible over the past few years. Naturally, Bigger DJ's will migrate there, or demand more.

I believe Ibiza will always be the flagship party island, if only for the UK! Hopefully lesser known people will be brought up, which is the bit i enjoyed most about ibiza, which is finding new DJ's and parties, which hopefully be springing up to keep people coming back.

And if it knocks 10 euro off the tickets prices, i say bring it on!
Bigger DJs will migrate there? Like Lance says below, it's mainly the edm crap that goes there properly. Yeah, the real big DJs go there too but they certainly aren't migrating from Ibiza. Space, Ushuaia, DC10 and now Sankeys are where the big boys come out to play regularly, and are fully appreciated. It's also not 'only for the UK'. The island is full of Germans/Italians/Spanish etc. Solomun's new evening at Pacha looks like it'll have some good lineups though, as well the the badly named 'Insane Ibiza' and Guy Gerber's evening . Tiesto and the like can take their crowd elsewhere. He attracted every chav going.

Vegas is not attracting anyone away from Ibiza either, that's ridiculous.

This is a better direction for Pacha though. Just ditch Guetta now.

Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Money is only in the states if you are some big commercial clown (aoki, deadmess, guetta, etc.) or like a straight up household name artist (hawtin, dubfire, etc.)... Underground artists, such as techno artists like myself are not demanding six figures to play, not even the higher tier techno artists... There is more money overseas for underground artists.
Efrain Scharr
08.04.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
To fly from USA to Ibiza round trip is like $1600. Working poor Americans just can't swing it. But maybe a trip to Vegas in in my future.
You can find way cheaper flights than that... But yeah, its certainly not as cheap as it is for Europeans.
Lannie Kutay
08.04.2013
To fly from USA to Ibiza round trip is like $1600. Working poor Americans just can't swing it. But maybe a trip to Vegas in in my future.
Inez Marcinik
08.04.2013
About time I say, no one deserves the amount of money some of those DJ's are demanding per gig. It's unlikely that it will make the entry prices to the clubs in Ibiza any cheaper though, unfortunately that's just not how the world works.
Halley Wurzer
08.04.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Money is only in the states if you are some big commercial clown (aoki, deadmess, guetta, etc.) or like a straight up household name artist (hawtin, dubfire, etc.)... Underground artists, such as techno artists like myself are not demanding six figures to play, not even the higher tier techno artists... There is more money overseas for underground artists.
This.
Efrain Scharr
08.04.2013
Money is only in the states if you are some big commercial clown (aoki, deadmess, guetta, etc.) or like a straight up household name artist (hawtin, dubfire, etc.)... Underground artists, such as techno artists like myself are not demanding six figures to play, not even the higher tier techno artists... There is more money overseas for underground artists.
Lillia Datson
08.04.2013
I dont believe Ibiza's ship is sunk just yet!

I can see where pacha's owners are coming from. The money is in the states, as Dance/EDM/House-whichever genre you want to label it as, has grown more accessible over the past few years. Naturally, Bigger DJ's will migrate there, or demand more.

I believe Ibiza will always be the flagship party island, if only for the UK! Hopefully lesser known people will be brought up, which is the bit i enjoyed most about ibiza, which is finding new DJ's and parties, which hopefully be springing up to keep people coming back.

And if it knocks 10 euro off the tickets prices, i say bring it on!
Rochel Papillion
08.04.2013
something interesting is happening in Ibiza
circo loco is not booking artists too, like DJ Sneak
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