Traktor Pro: Is there a way to visually determine bars and phrases Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance! |
Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Maye Eslin
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
I'm not sure if the option is available on older versions of Traktor Pro, but you can go to the preferences menu>Track Deck and choose your deck layout. In the Deck Heading section you can use the drop menus to select the "Beats" to display how many bars each track contains. You can also set a cue point at the end of a particular section and pick another spot in the Deck Heading section to select the beats to cue setting which tells you how many beats/bars there are until the next cue point is reached.
The DJ Tech Tools crew posted a tutorial on this about a week ago. Hope this helps.
http://www.djranking
s.com/2013/03/2...ntdown-to-cue/ |
Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Leeanna Ayla
16.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by mistertuckshop
Can't for the life of me find the 'beats to cue point' in the preferences. Any help?
It's in the list of items to display in deck details under deck heading. Click one of the arrows to see the list of selectable items. |
Scarlett Saupp
31.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
And, well, when you're working on the fly with a new release you haven't had a chance to really study life becomes a WHOLE lot simpler.
I agree - how often have we picked up demo's from a mate the evening
before, or decided to finally play that obscure beatport download that you keep skipping over? You've listened to the tracks maybe once or twice, before deciding to play it out. There's nothing wrong with using the tools at hand to make sure you deliver a consistent performance. |
Maryann Afoa
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
I have mine set so Beats in Phrase is zero cause I don't like counting measures.
How do you set beats in phrase to zero? |
Dj LsEx
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
Um... there is a way to do this, actually.
Except it measures from cue points, and only works from the current position.
You need to set it in your Deck Display under preferences. You select one line to be Beats from Cue. I have mine set so Beats in Phrase is zero cause I don't like counting measures.
If you hover over the wave form summary display (at the bottom) it will also tell you how many bars away from the current position, but I haven't figured out 100% how to read it.
Oh my god, as always, you're so right!. I've totally forgotten about this.
It reads in a number format (phrases to cue point:beats to cue point), not a pretty graphic display, but still is more or less what you're asking for. |
Herschel January
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
what? 32 hotcues? in traktor?
Sorry, meant 32 cue points, only 8 Hotcues. |
Maye Eslin
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
I'm not sure if the option is available on older versions of Traktor Pro, but you can go to the preferences menu>Track Deck and choose your deck layout. In the Deck Heading section you can use the drop menus to select the "Beats" to display how many bars each track contains. You can also set a cue point at the end of a particular section and pick another spot in the Deck Heading section to select the beats to cue setting which tells you how many beats/bars there are until the next cue point is reached.
The DJ Tech Tools crew posted a tutorial on this about a week ago. Hope this helps.
http://www.djranking
s.com/2013/03/2...ntdown-to-cue/ |
Cecile Miessner
27.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJSamRai
Sup Everyone!
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to visually see how many bars are in a particular piece of a track. I know that if you hover the mouse over a part in the song it will tell you how many bars are between that point and the point of the song thats playing or cued up. But im wondering if there is way to be able to tell how many bars are in that break down coming up or is that outro 64 or 32 bars, while the song is actually playing?? I like to spin all kinds of music, especially together, so i cant always rely on assuming the basic phrasing rule of thumb for a particular genre of music. If anyone has got a technique they use for being able to tell how many bars are in a certain piece of a track i would love to hear it thanks in advance!
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Leeanna Ayla
16.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by mistertuckshop
Can't for the life of me find the 'beats to cue point' in the preferences. Any help?
It's in the list of items to display in deck details under deck heading. Click one of the arrows to see the list of selectable items. |
Donovan Mandy
16.08.2010 | Can't for the life of me find the 'beats to cue point' in the preferences. Any help? |
Courtney Brake
16.08.2010 | All your responses were quite good thank you very much. I already had the beats to cue point enabled, didn't quite help the way i wanted it to. But i have to say Kupujte_Pytle's idea worked the best for me thanks alot! I set up 64 beat cue points and used beatmarkers to mark the beginning of each phrase...Presto! Works like a charm.. To take a step further it would be great if i could use the 9-35 cue points instead of taking up my precious hot-cues (which already one is taken up by the beat grid) anyone know to set up cue points 9-35?? |
Tianna Laguerre
12.04.2010 | haha, i might possibly have the best solution. well, loads of you mentioned Cue markers.
What i do is that i set a cue marker (not every 16, 32 but 64). 64 bars is imho ideal number for cue marker density VS overall GUI of the track - ie not have too few or too many markers. Execution is not hard at all, all i need is to save 2 functions on 2 keys: beatjump set to 32 and other is store cue point. Then just go to very beggining of the phrasing of the song and then just hit jump twice then store, rinse and repeat, whole song takes up about 15 to 20 seconds.
I have 90% of my song i play grided this way. When you load up song which is 3 minutes long and then a song which is 6 mins long, with 64bars system you visualy see your song density. And more, you can plan very very ahead for transitions (ie transition point is gonna come up in 4x 64bar sections, with beatjump on the fly you can even move and edit your plans).
Then you can even edit your song more by using system of cue points, like using Grid marker visualy for highlighing begginings of the phrases. |
Margit Koman
11.04.2010 | well you can make TPro show you minute markers on top of the waveform...
it works well for me because i play pretty much exclusively house music, at 128bpm you know that each minute = 32bars (128beats) ... i like to play at 127, but its close enough... if the section in question looks about half as big as space between 2 markers its 16bars, if its 1/4 as big = 8bars, etc... |
Scarlett Saupp
31.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
And, well, when you're working on the fly with a new release you haven't had a chance to really study life becomes a WHOLE lot simpler.
I agree - how often have we picked up demo's from a mate the evening
before, or decided to finally play that obscure beatport download that you keep skipping over? You've listened to the tracks maybe once or twice, before deciding to play it out. There's nothing wrong with using the tools at hand to make sure you deliver a consistent performance. |
Roberto Viccione
31.03.2010 | You set it in one of the Preferences, it's toward the bottom. Unfortunately they won't let me have anything fun at work so I can't check here.
But yeah, just make sure your cue points are where they need to be and put the Beats to Cue in the deck details.
And, well, I chalk this up to the same conversation as the beatmatching / sync conversation. You need to know your songs, but it's one thing to know your songs and another to have a detailed and complete break down of how many beats are in the breakdown, while trying to reference how many beats are in the build up of the next track. It just makes life a whole lot easier.
And, well, when you're working on the fly with a new release you haven't had a chance to really study life becomes a WHOLE lot simpler. |
Xavier Emanuels
31.03.2010 | I throw a 16 or 32 bar loop saved in my tracks so i can easily visually see how big the loop is on the wavform display. that makes it really easy to judge how many beats there are in a given section.
Having visual markers that arnt cue points would be nice though |
Spencer Kilcoyne
31.03.2010 | Ermmm, get to know your tunes?
even with Funk & Hip-Hop it applies ... |
Maryann Afoa
31.03.2010 | I spin a lot of funk, hip hop, and r&b as well as all the edm stuff. For all my non edm music I like having cue markers at the beginnings of verses, hooks, and bridges so when if I glance up quickly I have a rough estimate of time before I'm suppose to drop in the next track. |
Shirlee Depiazza
31.03.2010 | You shoudl be able to hear it. It not to hard to listen and guess the build up |
Latoria Kavulich
30.03.2010 | whats wrong with tapping your feet and counting? |
Roni Batchan
30.03.2010 | i vote you go old school and just get to know it.. one of the many beauties of dance music is that they stick to 16-32 bar phrases, and when you look at the waveform it's pretty clear where these phrases are just by looking at breaks in the waveform. experiment and you'll get to grips with it
I always do it in terms of the song length, and then compare the two decks.. ie if i have a 6.29 song and a 4 min song, if the breakdown of the second looks slightly smaller than the first, then i guess they're the same length (usually 32 bars) |
Maryann Afoa
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
I have mine set so Beats in Phrase is zero cause I don't like counting measures.
How do you set beats in phrase to zero? |
Dj LsEx
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
Um... there is a way to do this, actually.
Except it measures from cue points, and only works from the current position.
You need to set it in your Deck Display under preferences. You select one line to be Beats from Cue. I have mine set so Beats in Phrase is zero cause I don't like counting measures.
If you hover over the wave form summary display (at the bottom) it will also tell you how many bars away from the current position, but I haven't figured out 100% how to read it.
Oh my god, as always, you're so right!. I've totally forgotten about this.
It reads in a number format (phrases to cue point:beats to cue point), not a pretty graphic display, but still is more or less what you're asking for. |
Herschel January
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
what? 32 hotcues? in traktor?
Sorry, meant 32 cue points, only 8 Hotcues. |
Denisha Usery
30.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by MiL0
that's the most annoying thing about Traktor imo... the fact that it scales the waveform down in size so that it fits into a fixed space within Traktor. This means that a 1 minute tune looks exactly the same length as a 10 minute tune... impossible to accurately judge visually when a breakdown/whatever is coming (like you can with vinyl, to a degree)
if you use the prefs-option --> Global View Options --> Stripe View Fit _> Record u will see adiffrence between songs of diffrent lengths (only works in scratch mode) |
Adolf Hit
30.03.2010 | The way I do it is to know the approximate length of a phrase at the BPM of the tune, eg for dubstep 27 seconds is 16 bars. Then you just use the minute markers to get an approximate idea of the phrase points
It only needs to be approximate because the music allways makes it obvious when you know roughly where it is |
Roberto Viccione
30.03.2010 | Um... there is a way to do this, actually.
Except it measures from cue points, and only works from the current position.
You need to set it in your Deck Display under preferences. You select one line to be Beats from Cue. I have mine set so Beats in Phrase is zero cause I don't like counting measures.
If you hover over the wave form summary display (at the bottom) it will also tell you how many bars away from the current position, but I haven't figured out 100% how to read it. |
Dj LsEx
31.03.2010 | I don't typically have trouble finding breakdowns in the stripe. There's a pretty big difference in the intensity of transients clearly visible in the waveform. I've also taught myself to watch the rate of the waveform tape for a few measures to estimate if a big change is coming 16, 32, 64, or more bars away.
Basically, use your ears and learn your music. If Traktor can feed you information about phrasing and what's happening next, it won't need humans control it. It will probably achieve sentience and enslave the human race.
Trust me, it will be curtains for us all. |
Arcelia Siebeneck
31.03.2010 | that's the most annoying thing about Traktor imo... the fact that it scales the waveform down in size so that it fits into a fixed space within Traktor. This means that a 1 minute tune looks exactly the same length as a 10 minute tune... impossible to accurately judge visually when a breakdown/whatever is coming (like you can with vinyl, to a degree) |
robin loo
31.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
You could always mark song up with markers and use the different ones to make a system that would help you visually identify the phrases and the bar count.
like > flag for start of a phrase
< for the end
| for 8 bars
Seeing as you can have up to 32 hotcues, I'm pretty sure that if you wanted to mark up the song in 8 bar increments using the different types you could definately get a system down to visually see the phrases. Only problem is it would take a while to mark up all the song.
what? 32 hotcues? in traktor? how? :eek:
the system can work, but it's a hell of work..
i really just do it by knowing more or less the length of 32 or 64 bars on my screen, got a lot of hotcues though to help |
Herschel January
31.03.2010 | You could always mark song up with markers and use the different ones to make a system that would help you visually identify the phrases and the bar count.
like > flag for start of a phrase
< for the end
| for 8 bars
Seeing as you can have up to 32 hotcues, I'm pretty sure that if you wanted to mark up the song in 8 bar increments using the different types you could definately get a system down to visually see the phrases. Only problem is it would take a while to mark up all the song. |
robin loo
31.03.2010 | memorize is the answer.. |
Kasi Kyung
31.03.2010 | None that I know of. You just gotta know the song, there is the phase meter and it does section out the songs in the stripe, but that's as close as you get in Traktor I believe. It'd be an interesting algorithm to locate and identify the 'building blocks' of a song and lay it out in a grid over it, that would be the start of skynet... |
