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Traktor SYNC - Why does this happen?

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Traktor SYNC - Why does this happen? Posted on: 06.06.2013 by Leon Albornoz So basically, I have been playing with 4 decks and sync lately. I never used sync before so I am a bit "noob" on that area. I already learned (thank u youtube!) to beatgrid all my tracks, and I've done my entire library. However, I am facing a problem. Let's say, Deck A is playing, I press sync and then Play Deck B and transition. When I finish with Deck A (i mean, volume fader all the way down) I have the tendency to press CUE on that deck to return to my cue point. However, if I have sync turned on in the other deck, the sound glitches like for 1 second. Why does this happen?
Yu Santellano 07.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Traktor has no Phase Sync as far as I know, and its Tempo Sync will also match the phase for the 1st downbeat. There are separate phase sync and tempo sync commands in the MIDI editor, but under the normal options the buttons are just phase sync and tempo sync. I've never found these to work properly though, I believe they only control what happens when you click the sync button, and are separate from pressing the button on a MIDI controller.
Albertina Fay 06.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Tempo Sync will prevent this issue from happening. If you're mixing internally you can also use the "Only On Air Deck can be Tempo Master" option in Transport settings which will switch the Master deck automatically once the volume fader is down. this ^^^
Doreen Schurle 06.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJBife Like I suspected it was "human error", I really need to stop pressing CUE when I finish the track and actually just pause it . If SYNC is active, I press cue, glitch. I don't like to keep pressing sync on and off, I just leave it on for the whole set now that I am entering the 4 deck madness. By the way, 4 deck is SO MUCH FUN! The exact same thing happens to me; threw me for a while until I realised it was a symptom of Track B beatsyncing with Track A while A is still Tempo Master. A possible workaround for 2-deck setups, is to set Tempo Master to be the other deck when the channel fader is down; that way, when you bring down the fader on deck B it swaps master to Deck A, and then you can stop the deck using the cue button.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 06.06.2013	Originally Posted by CountenanT If the decks are sync locked, then it's actually Deck B attempting to phase sync to Deck A after you've pressed the CUE button. You'll see the effect in more detail if you activate scratch on the master deck, then scratch with a jogwheel. You'll see the synced deck nudging backwards and forwards. I believe this is what's happening, rather than it just being an audio glitch. The best thing to do is to deactivate sync on B before you press CUE on A, and see if it still does it. This will most likely solve his problem. I use to have the same issue. It can happen with just two decks playing as well. Thats how i solve the issue. Very annoying, but 4 decks and maschine is a beast to keep all together without sync hehe
Leon Albornoz 06.06.2013	So basically, I have been playing with 4 decks and sync lately. I never used sync before so I am a bit "noob" on that area. I already learned (thank u youtube!) to beatgrid all my tracks, and I've done my entire library. However, I am facing a problem. Let's say, Deck A is playing, I press sync and then Play Deck B and transition. When I finish with Deck A (i mean, volume fader all the way down) I have the tendency to press CUE on that deck to return to my cue point. However, if I have sync turned on in the other deck, the sound glitches like for 1 second. Why does this happen?
Yu Santellano 07.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Traktor has no Phase Sync as far as I know, and its Tempo Sync will also match the phase for the 1st downbeat. There are separate phase sync and tempo sync commands in the MIDI editor, but under the normal options the buttons are just phase sync and tempo sync. I've never found these to work properly though, I believe they only control what happens when you click the sync button, and are separate from pressing the button on a MIDI controller.
Olin Easley 07.06.2013	You could sync everything to the master clock, that's how Richie Hawtin does it or at least how he did it in the past, but I don't see a reason to change that.
Alphonso Deitchman 07.06.2013	Traktor has no Phase Sync as far as I know, and its Tempo Sync will also match the phase for the 1st downbeat.
Yu Santellano 07.06.2013	Normal Sync "locks" the tracks together completely. Phase sync alone syncs the tracks immediately, but if the tempos are not correct they will drift apart. Tempo sync alone matches the BPMs, but doesn't change the phase of the track. One trick is to combine phase and tempo sync into one button, which allows a quick sync without locking the tracks, which is handy in a lot of situations
Leon Albornoz 06.06.2013	Thank you so much, just tried it and it is 100% like I wanted now! Awesome
Albertina Fay 06.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Tempo Sync will prevent this issue from happening. If you're mixing internally you can also use the "Only On Air Deck can be Tempo Master" option in Transport settings which will switch the Master deck automatically once the volume fader is down. this ^^^
Alphonso Deitchman 06.06.2013	Tempo sync lets you adjust the phase of the tracks once you start playback. It is less rigid and restrictive, which is why you don't get the "glitch" when you press CUE as it doesn't try to perfectly sync every beat.
Leon Albornoz 06.06.2013	By the way, what is the difference between tempo sync and beat sync? I tried both and they did exactly the same for me (?)
Alphonso Deitchman 06.06.2013	Tempo Sync will prevent this issue from happening. If you're mixing internally you can also use the "Only On Air Deck can be Tempo Master" option in Transport settings which will switch the Master deck automatically once the volume fader is down.
Doreen Schurle 06.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJBife Like I suspected it was "human error", I really need to stop pressing CUE when I finish the track and actually just pause it . If SYNC is active, I press cue, glitch. I don't like to keep pressing sync on and off, I just leave it on for the whole set now that I am entering the 4 deck madness. By the way, 4 deck is SO MUCH FUN! The exact same thing happens to me; threw me for a while until I realised it was a symptom of Track B beatsyncing with Track A while A is still Tempo Master. A possible workaround for 2-deck setups, is to set Tempo Master to be the other deck when the channel fader is down; that way, when you bring down the fader on deck B it swaps master to Deck A, and then you can stop the deck using the cue button.
Yu Santellano 06.06.2013	To put what I said more simply, SYNC is causing Deck B to nudge when you hit CUE on A.
Leon Albornoz 06.06.2013	Like I suspected it was "human error", I really need to stop pressing CUE when I finish the track and actually just pause it . If SYNC is active, I press cue, glitch. I don't like to keep pressing sync on and off, I just leave it on for the whole set now that I am entering the 4 deck madness. By the way, 4 deck is SO MUCH FUN!
Shawn Vanhaitsma 06.06.2013	Originally Posted by CountenanT If the decks are sync locked, then it's actually Deck B attempting to phase sync to Deck A after you've pressed the CUE button. You'll see the effect in more detail if you activate scratch on the master deck, then scratch with a jogwheel. You'll see the synced deck nudging backwards and forwards. I believe this is what's happening, rather than it just being an audio glitch. The best thing to do is to deactivate sync on B before you press CUE on A, and see if it still does it. This will most likely solve his problem. I use to have the same issue. It can happen with just two decks playing as well. Thats how i solve the issue. Very annoying, but 4 decks and maschine is a beast to keep all together without sync hehe
Yu Santellano 06.06.2013	If the decks are sync locked, then it's actually Deck B attempting to phase sync to Deck A after you've pressed the CUE button. You'll see the effect in more detail if you activate scratch on the master deck, then scratch with a jogwheel. You'll see the synced deck nudging backwards and forwards. I believe this is what's happening, rather than it just being an audio glitch. The best thing to do is to deactivate sync on B before you press CUE on A, and see if it still does it.
Sonja Roybal 06.06.2013	I'm guessing if he has all 4 decks running, it's CPU.
Gaynell Rydberg 06.06.2013	That's my other thought, but I'm assuming he does stop the track before he presses the cue button. If that isn't the case, pause Deck A before you press CUE.
Jerica Salava 06.06.2013	tempo. Is the MASTER lit up on deck B when the glitch happens? or is it still on deck A?
Gaynell Rydberg 06.06.2013	What's your CPU loadmeter like?

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Traktor SYNC - Why does this happen?