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To buy a XDJ-R1 or a pair of used CDJ 900s?
Posted on: 06.06.2013 by Grace Gatica
Since the XDJ-R1 release i have been considering scrapping the idea of buying a pair of used Cdj 900s for $1800 australian. Expecting the XDJ to be $1300 here on release so if im spending this much money i really need to be sure. Does anyone believe that 900 mk2 will be released this year or at all?
Anissa Perusek
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by Klaxsis
I already bought 900s because i got a good deal on them and they will prepare me better for the club environment. I got 2x CDJ 900s, a roadcase, decksavers & a DJM 350 for australian $2k. Resellng the DJM 350 for about $300 so $1700 got me 2x CDJ 900, roadcase and decksavers.. pretty good if you ask me
Lol, guess they didn't hear you the first time. Have fun with the 900s.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The only valid point you have made is about the short pitch faders. That alone does not make the R1 worse than a pair of CDJ 200s.
Yea, who needs in/out loop buttons right?... duh

I'm curious to see you playing on CDJ-200s..... as a matter of fact... can you?
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The only real benefits of the 900's control surface over the R1 are the pitch fader and jog display. They both have dot-matrix screens showing pretty much the same information, other than the very basic mini waveform on the 900.

I'm not asking for a huge post, but please just make a few points about why you believe the R1 is worse than a CDJ 200.
No, I'm giving tons of points and you just keep asking like I should point the obvious.
This thread is about helping the guy decide what he should buy.
In my oppinion he must buy the CDJ-900s.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
How is the 900 much better than the R1 without Rekordbox? If you have CDJ 900s it makes no sense at all to use non-Rekordbox media.

Loops drifting mean you haven't set your grids properly. I've had problems with the computer app crashing, but exported drives have always worked flawlessly on my 2000s.
Come on, are you serious? Do you even play without softwares? I really believe it is better to play with cds on a CDJ-200 than a XDJ-R1, just look at it!
You are making the same question for the third time, I'm not going to write a big post again to read "but how is the CDJ-900 better than the XDJ-R1?"

For people who play without damn softwares, it makes all the sense to have the most accurate CDJs. Some people really use them you know? they are not just controllers for traktor...
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Pitch faders are a fair point. I'm still not sure what you're getting at about Rekordbox.
XDJ-R1 without rekordbox is useless. CDJ-900 is the second best gear on earth to play without rekordbox or any software.

Rekordbox simply sucks. Some of the usual bugs are listed below:

- The software crashes when opening.
- The software crashes when using it.
- The software crashes when exporting to USB Sticks.
- The CDJs don't "read" all the info on the USB Sticks (Hot Cues are lost, Memory Points are lost, etc.)
- The CDJs crash when using USB Sticks with rekordbox (yes, they simply don't work.)
- The music drifts when using loops (poor accuracy or other bugs)

These are just some of the bugs.
I'm a member of the pioneer community and I believe I've read a bug report about every single thing of the whole rekordbox process.
The software made people so angry I met a guy who is doing reverse engineering on the software to make an alternative software that, according to him, will work better than the oficial rekordbox from pioneer.

For DJs like me that don't like playing with softwares, using Rekordbox flawlessly is a dream. Sadly, it will not come true in a close future.

The instability of Rekordbox made, for the first time, a new CDJ be worse that its ancestor. CDJ-2000 is still the industry standard, and the CDJ-2000Nexus is becoming one of the most found at "Used" sections of DJ stores.

According to your signature, you have a CDJ-2000. If I were you I would:
First, not sell it. Second, try rekordbox for some time untill a bug appears, and realise it could have happened when you were on a club.
Vikki Falkenrath
08.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
What makes you believe the R1 significantly different than a pair of CDJs?
Firstly because the creator of this thread will train with gear that is the 2nd most common on clubs in the whole world. I don't know any venue in the globe that uses XDJ-R1.
Then, as I said, XDJ-R1 has its own mixer, which is not the same as a DJM-900Nexus or a DJM-2000/2000Nexus. You get stuck with it.
Also, I don't believe it is the same thing to play without rekordbox on both of them. Pitch faders on CDJ-900 are the double the size, it has a much more precise Jog, Jog adjust, and Loops.
Its like comparing a CDJ-900 with CDJ-350 (edited, I mean CDJ-200, even CDJ-350 is better than a XDJ-R1 without rekordbox...).
Vikki Falkenrath
08.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Both the XDJ R1 and CDJs use the same media. They can both read from CDs, as well as USB sticks prepared with or without Rekordbox.

Therefore the stability of Rekordbox should not be a deciding factor.
Starting from the point that you SHOULD NOT use rekordbox, CDJ-900 is superior.
Without rekordbox XDJ-R1 is a controller without sync.... its ridiculous.

You can also use de CDJ-900 with a DJM-900Nexus mixer, with infinite possibilities. With a XDJ-R1 you are stuck with that "mixer" in the middle forever.
Anissa Perusek
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by Klaxsis
I already bought 900s because i got a good deal on them and they will prepare me better for the club environment. I got 2x CDJ 900s, a roadcase, decksavers & a DJM 350 for australian $2k. Resellng the DJM 350 for about $300 so $1700 got me 2x CDJ 900, roadcase and decksavers.. pretty good if you ask me
Lol, guess they didn't hear you the first time. Have fun with the 900s.
Grace Gatica
09.06.2013		I already bought 900s because i got a good deal on them and they will prepare me better for the club environment. I got 2x CDJ 900s, a roadcase, decksavers & a DJM 350 for australian $2k. Resellng the DJM 350 for about $300 so $1700 got me 2x CDJ 900, roadcase and decksavers.. pretty good if you ask me
Audrey Pinda
09.06.2013		How I've been looking at it is like this:

The Pioneer XDJ-R1 is probably the best home/house party setup at it's price. Coming in at around $899 USD, you can't beat that for a CDJ setup. Even a set of used CDJ-800MK2's are about $400 a pop, same with CDJ-400's, and you don't have any of the benefits of the other features. It's all about muscle memory when it comes to mixing. Being comfortable on what you plan on mixing with live.

If you can afford CDJ-900's and a mixer, or 2000's, it's going to be the "best" route for you. Just because of that muscle memory. If you aren't renting them out, or aren't making a living off of them, I would say it's almost overkill though compared to the sheer features of the XD-R1. The XDJ-R1 is going to give you the benefit of learning pioneer's setup, but it won't be exactly the same.

If I was looking at buying a non-turntable setup for my first set of gear to learn on at home? The XDJ-R1 would be my ONLY choice.

As a DJ who has just invested into sound and is working on starting to throw parties? I'd rather have the CDJ-900's or CDJ-2000's as that is the standard in the club, and I'll be inviting other DJ's to use my gear at my evening s, and renting it out to other crews is something that you won't be able to do with an XDJ-R1. It's a different part of the game really.

If you are throwing events, buy the CDJ-900's. If you are using this for personal use only, and at home/house parties? The XDJ-R1 is the controller that really beats the pants off all the others.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013		hm, interesting, so it will create a beat grid when you tap... so this gear is more advanced than a CDJ-2000Nexus, cause not even it can "create" a beat grid without rekordbox.

and, considering it really is, how tapping is more precise than choosing the exact moment that the loop should start and end?
When I tap on ableton for exemple it gives me diferences of 0.30 to 0.70 bpm....... you should be one hell of a tapper!
Alphonso Deitchman
09.06.2013		The loops will be based on the same beat grid as the FX. It makes no sense to do it any other way.

If you want to make a loop you just tap out the rhythm for a few beats, then select a loop size and enable it.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013		As far as I know, the TAP button is for the Beat FX.... nothing to do with LOOPs.

Considering I'm wrong, please explain, step by step, how to make a simple loop on the XDJ-R1 without using rekordbox.
Alphonso Deitchman
09.06.2013		Using the TAP button to get the correct tempo and beat phase seems like a more effective system than using the Loop In/Out buttons manually without Quantize. That way you can be sure the loop will be correct before you enable it.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The only valid point you have made is about the short pitch faders. That alone does not make the R1 worse than a pair of CDJ 200s.
Yea, who needs in/out loop buttons right?... duh

I'm curious to see you playing on CDJ-200s..... as a matter of fact... can you?
Alphonso Deitchman
09.06.2013		The only valid point you have made is about the short pitch faders. That alone does not make the R1 worse than a pair of CDJ 200s.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The only real benefits of the 900's control surface over the R1 are the pitch fader and jog display. They both have dot-matrix screens showing pretty much the same information, other than the very basic mini waveform on the 900.

I'm not asking for a huge post, but please just make a few points about why you believe the R1 is worse than a CDJ 200.
No, I'm giving tons of points and you just keep asking like I should point the obvious.
This thread is about helping the guy decide what he should buy.
In my oppinion he must buy the CDJ-900s.
Alphonso Deitchman
09.06.2013		The only real benefits of the 900's control surface over the R1 are the pitch fader and jog display. They both have dot-matrix screens showing pretty much the same information, other than the very basic mini waveform on the 900.

I'm not asking for a huge post, but please just make a few points about why you believe the R1 is worse than a CDJ 200.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
How is the 900 much better than the R1 without Rekordbox? If you have CDJ 900s it makes no sense at all to use non-Rekordbox media.

Loops drifting mean you haven't set your grids properly. I've had problems with the computer app crashing, but exported drives have always worked flawlessly on my 2000s.
Come on, are you serious? Do you even play without softwares? I really believe it is better to play with cds on a CDJ-200 than a XDJ-R1, just look at it!
You are making the same question for the third time, I'm not going to write a big post again to read "but how is the CDJ-900 better than the XDJ-R1?"

For people who play without damn softwares, it makes all the sense to have the most accurate CDJs. Some people really use them you know? they are not just controllers for traktor...
Alphonso Deitchman
09.06.2013		How is the 900 much better than the R1 without Rekordbox? If you have CDJ 900s it makes no sense at all to use non-Rekordbox media.

Loops drifting mean you haven't set your grids properly. I've had problems with the computer app crashing, but exported drives have always worked flawlessly on my 2000s.
Vikki Falkenrath
09.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Pitch faders are a fair point. I'm still not sure what you're getting at about Rekordbox.
XDJ-R1 without rekordbox is useless. CDJ-900 is the second best gear on earth to play without rekordbox or any software.

Rekordbox simply sucks. Some of the usual bugs are listed below:

- The software crashes when opening.
- The software crashes when using it.
- The software crashes when exporting to USB Sticks.
- The CDJs don't "read" all the info on the USB Sticks (Hot Cues are lost, Memory Points are lost, etc.)
- The CDJs crash when using USB Sticks with rekordbox (yes, they simply don't work.)
- The music drifts when using loops (poor accuracy or other bugs)

These are just some of the bugs.
I'm a member of the pioneer community and I believe I've read a bug report about every single thing of the whole rekordbox process.
The software made people so angry I met a guy who is doing reverse engineering on the software to make an alternative software that, according to him, will work better than the oficial rekordbox from pioneer.

For DJs like me that don't like playing with softwares, using Rekordbox flawlessly is a dream. Sadly, it will not come true in a close future.

The instability of Rekordbox made, for the first time, a new CDJ be worse that its ancestor. CDJ-2000 is still the industry standard, and the CDJ-2000Nexus is becoming one of the most found at "Used" sections of DJ stores.

According to your signature, you have a CDJ-2000. If I were you I would:
First, not sell it. Second, try rekordbox for some time untill a bug appears, and realise it could have happened when you were on a club.
Alphonso Deitchman
08.06.2013		Pitch faders are a fair point. I'm still not sure what you're getting at about Rekordbox.
Verlene Geevarghese
08.06.2013		You're about to get makar'd so hard
Vikki Falkenrath
08.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
What makes you believe the R1 significantly different than a pair of CDJs?
Firstly because the creator of this thread will train with gear that is the 2nd most common on clubs in the whole world. I don't know any venue in the globe that uses XDJ-R1.
Then, as I said, XDJ-R1 has its own mixer, which is not the same as a DJM-900Nexus or a DJM-2000/2000Nexus. You get stuck with it.
Also, I don't believe it is the same thing to play without rekordbox on both of them. Pitch faders on CDJ-900 are the double the size, it has a much more precise Jog, Jog adjust, and Loops.
Its like comparing a CDJ-900 with CDJ-350 (edited, I mean CDJ-200, even CDJ-350 is better than a XDJ-R1 without rekordbox...).
Grace Gatica
08.06.2013		Ended up getting a pair of CDJ 900s for a mad deal. 2x CDJ 900s, roadcase, deck savers & a DJM 350 for $2000. Reselling the DJM 350 so get about 300 back from that
Alphonso Deitchman
08.06.2013		What makes you believe the R1 significantly different than a pair of CDJs?
Vikki Falkenrath
08.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Both the XDJ R1 and CDJs use the same media. They can both read from CDs, as well as USB sticks prepared with or without Rekordbox.

Therefore the stability of Rekordbox should not be a deciding factor.
Starting from the point that you SHOULD NOT use rekordbox, CDJ-900 is superior.
Without rekordbox XDJ-R1 is a controller without sync.... its ridiculous.

You can also use de CDJ-900 with a DJM-900Nexus mixer, with infinite possibilities. With a XDJ-R1 you are stuck with that "mixer" in the middle forever.
Alphonso Deitchman
08.06.2013		Both the XDJ R1 and CDJs use the same media. They can both read from CDs, as well as USB sticks prepared with or without Rekordbox.

Therefore the stability of Rekordbox should not be a deciding factor.
Vikki Falkenrath
08.06.2013		Better buy the cdjs, and use no rekordbox, it will bug at the most critical moment.

Just take a look at rekordbox oficial community , 95% of the threads are bug reports.

The idea behind it is awsome, but the first time I had a big bug with it I got totally disappointed.
Gaynell Rydberg
06.06.2013		I don't believe R1s will be very hard to transition to 900/2000s. They're so similar, main difference between software side.

If you can afford the CDJs, I'd definitely go that route. Otherwise XDJ-R1.
Grace Gatica
06.06.2013
Originally Posted by dj gullum
well basicly you get the same and then some more with the cdj900 + you djm800. The djm800 has the same FX as XDJ-R1 + some.
XDJ has hotcues and sampler (How much do you need that) I mainly use hotcues for fast selection where I like to start the mix in of a song, That can be done with memorie points on CDJ900. you can link the CDJ900 with a computer and use Rekordbox from there.
XDJ you can use with a iPad and that gives some intresting controls that are not easy or not at all on the CDJ+DJM setup.
You could sell the DJM800 and use the money to get the XDJ you would prob not need the DJM anyway as you can add cdj/turntables to the XDJ.
The CDJ+DJM setup takes up a lot of space and is heavy to carry around specialy if in a flight case but it's plug and play with Traktor. XDJ not so big much lighter to carry.
I would go for XDJ personaly because of size and I need to bring my setup to most clubs/gigs.
Yeah i believe im still leaning towards the CDJ 900s. Purely because i start at a local club once i turn 18 having previously had residency but been put on hold due to legal reasons. Also have small festivals and events coming up that obvioulsy will have CDJs there installed like the club so i feel i need to master CDJs as i have CDJ 1000 mk3 but selling because i hate burning cds. Also looking to use the 900s for house party gigs as well and just sell up my controllers so i can practice for club at home and use them for gigs also. Was why i was asking if the XDJ comes close to replicating the feel of real cdjs and that.
Ashanti Andreacchio
06.06.2013		well basicly you get the same and then some more with the cdj900 + you djm800. The djm800 has the same FX as XDJ-R1 + some.
XDJ has hotcues and sampler (How much do you need that) I mainly use hotcues for fast selection where I like to start the mix in of a song, That can be done with memorie points on CDJ900. you can link the CDJ900 with a computer and use Rekordbox from there.
XDJ you can use with a iPad and that gives some intresting controls that are not easy or not at all on the CDJ+DJM setup.
You could sell the DJM800 and use the money to get the XDJ you would prob not need the DJM anyway as you can add cdj/turntables to the XDJ.
The CDJ+DJM setup takes up a lot of space and is heavy to carry around specialy if in a flight case but it's plug and play with Traktor. XDJ not so big much lighter to carry.
I would go for XDJ personaly because of size and I need to bring my setup to most clubs/gigs.
Grace Gatica
06.06.2013		I already have a DJM 800 so need for a mixer, I can afford 900s just wanted to get peoples opionions on how it stacks up compared to a CDJ DJM package (other than the shitty 350 pack).
Anissa Perusek
06.06.2013		If you can afford the 900s, buy them. If you can't, get the XDJ-R1. Are you in the UK? I've seen pre-ordersfor the XDJ here in US for $899 with a couple of 5% off coupons = $850. That's right around the price of one 900. Soooooo...
Jerica Salava
06.06.2013		plus you need a mixer. that makes a used CDJ 900 setup twice the price of a new XDJ-R.
Dannie Dimora
06.06.2013		Lol are you even asking?
In what condition are the 900s?

You know what? just buy them xD

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