Buying your way to stardom hitting a new low. |
Dino Hapgood
16.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by johney
It is.
and by the way DJing and producing are two different things.
It is to you.
And I know they are two different things, but most DJ's will have some hand in track production if they ever desire to get out of the local club scene and get bigger, whether its making originals or private remixes, differentiation has always been the name of the game, and you can't really differentiate by just playing other people's tracks. |
Augustine Mitzen
14.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
Because those who truly transcend the fads (see daft punk) will continue to be listened to while the mass produced corporate schlock they are selling will fade into distant memory.
Everything works itself out and being concerned about people buying tracks is a waste of time and energy.
I'm not encouraging "corporatisation (sic)" of the music scene. I just don't believe it's really that big of a deal in the first place. Also everyone's knee jerk reaction is evidence that none of you "get it." If you really cared just about your own artistic expression and not being recognized or getting paid then this wouldn't bother you one bit because it's not as if by doing this someone is taking away your ability to create your own tracks or promote yourself.
Btw I have no need to buy tracks and promote them. I have a full time day job which pays well. I just DJ for the fun of it. I guess you thought I was defending it because I want to use it. Like I said, I just don't care.
It is.
and by the way DJing and producing are two different things. |
Janeen Tarricone
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
My issue is that selling tracks will stop creativity in production, a music psychologist and a business analyst will get together and find everything that the masses want in music on a psychological level and make everything the same to meet those specifications as it is a low risk investment. Look at pop and rap for examples, most of it sounds the same within their genres. And yes you can argue that the real music will always come through, but why do we need all the filler so someone can line their pockets capitalising on the newest fad?
Correct, but when did we ever care about the mainstream? Are a music psychologist and business analyst going to show up in your studio and only let you record what the masses want on psychological level? The point being this type of service exists and has for some time, it's just starting to get more out in the open now. It's not going to change the way I make music and it sound like it isn't going to change the way you make music, so who cares. |
Dannie Dimora
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
You could always watch a youtube tutorial of someone else who remade it with massive
or sylenth and a shitload of nexus presets |
Dino Hapgood
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Worst post ever, why would you encourage the corporatisation of the music scene.
Because those who truly transcend the fads (see daft punk) will continue to be listened to while the mass produced corporate schlock they are selling will fade into distant memory.
Everything works itself out and being concerned about people buying tracks is a waste of time and energy.
I'm not encouraging "corporatisation (sic)" of the music scene. I just don't believe it's really that big of a deal in the first place. Also everyone's knee jerk reaction is evidence that none of you "get it." If you really cared just about your own artistic expression and not being recognized or getting paid then this wouldn't bother you one bit because it's not as if by doing this someone is taking away your ability to create your own tracks or promote yourself.
Btw I have no need to buy tracks and promote them. I have a full time day job which pays well. I just DJ for the fun of it. I guess you thought I was defending it because I want to use it. Like I said, I just don't care. |
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
I don't see what the big deal is... Life is one big business decision and having "Artistic Integrity" is a business decision too....
Worst post ever, why would you encourage the corporatisation of the music scene. |
Isa Erik
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
I wanted to read your entire post but after a few lines I realised you don't 'get' it at all - and if you find this acceptable it says something about as a person and the sort of character, musically and within life, that you are.
There are lines with all aspects of life, and this to me is one step too far.
Thankfully, a quick check on the site shows there is no music available yet - but when there is I look forward to hearing your 'new' single.
I agree with you |
Joesph Kasian
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
I don't see what the big deal is... Life is one big business decision and having "Artistic Integrity" is a business decision too. If not having artistic integrity is good for business then you should go that route, otherwise, stick with your integrity if you feel you will make a living that way. This is like the old sync/no sync debate. It doesn't matter how you get to where you do, as long as the crowd enjoys what you are doing. If the crowd likes the track you pass off as your own, then why not? Everyone wins. You win, the crowd wins, the producers of the track win, and everyone is happy. In the long term, the big winners are probably the crowd, and the producers, while you get the shaft because you can't find anymore hit tracks to buy and don't have any other marketable skills.
If you're really good at selecting tracks, and marketing them in a way that will gain you lots of fans, that surely is a skill though. It could be parlayed into cultivating the talent you see in others. You could bring up small-time producers who have great tracks and managing them or back them with money. Everything has a negative side, but you should try and see the positive aspect of it. Maybe there IS a specific sound you want for your sets, but you don't want to play the same track BignameDJX is playing. So you go out, buy a tune for 500 bucks, play that, and call it yours. Whatever. Like I said, there is always lessons to be learned and valuable insights and skills you can gain from any experience. Sure, a lot of people won't take that high road or see the potential in what they are doing, but those people probably won't make it very far, and even if they do, who cares?
I believe this is a case of envy. If someone buys a track and makes it big, but you sit in your room for days and can't make a hit or get a lot of fans from your track, you feel as though you've been cheated, when maybe you just suck at producing, or marketing, or whatever it may be that's not earning you a fan base and should find another path to success? Not saying that you definitely do suck at these things, but have you ever been introspective about this anger you harbor towards these websites?
Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, always play to your strengths while attempting to identify and correct your weaknesses. Never use your weakness as an excuse and never blame others for your inability to achieve a goal you have. There are many paths to the same goal and some are more difficult than others, but some are only difficult because you're the one putting up roadblocks on the path that would play more to your strengths. There is a difference between taking the easy way out and taking the smartest most efficient path. My whole point is that buying a track and playing to your marketing skills is not necessarily the EASY way out, it may just be the smartest for SOME people. However it may turn out to be a poor business decision in the long run if the people who take this route fail to correct their deficiencies at some point, or fail to identify a way to take their current success and diversify it into new ventures and opportunities.
I wanted to read your entire post but after a few lines I realised you don't 'get' it at all - and if you find this acceptable it says something about as a person and the sort of character, musically and within life, that you are.
There are lines with all aspects of life, and this to me is one step too far.
Thankfully, a quick check on the site shows there is no music available yet - but when there is I look forward to hearing your 'new' single. |
Dino Hapgood
16.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by johney
It is.
and by the way DJing and producing are two different things.
It is to you.
And I know they are two different things, but most DJ's will have some hand in track production if they ever desire to get out of the local club scene and get bigger, whether its making originals or private remixes, differentiation has always been the name of the game, and you can't really differentiate by just playing other people's tracks. |
Suzann Hvezda
15.06.2013 | I believe theres always good hidden music out there, a lot of times it just depends on how well you market the track |
Peggy Gabrielson
15.06.2013 | Well this explains why so many of the popular tracks on beatport etc are so crap. Mass produced with no heart or soul. |
Romelia Stankard
14.06.2013 | there were a few tracks on that site last week. 2 boring tech house tracks and 1 piece of garbage under "hard techno"
the tech house tracks were $450 and $550 each iirc
seems like one of these sites pop up ocassionally that is slightly more public about advertising it and all the blogs and community
s go crazy with outrage acting like this hasn't been going on for decades |
Hank Guidas
14.06.2013 | Ya. I don't mind that either. As long as the dj comes up with the ideas |
Hipolito Scionti
14.06.2013 | Back in the day DJ's would hire engineers to make to tunes for them... basically the dj would come in with maybe a sample and say i want to make a garage tune with this hook and sit there and just vibe with the engineer...
Think Ramsey and Fenn when MJ Cole was their producer.
If I was going to get someone else to make a tune for me that's the route i'd go... Buying a finished tune off the peg is wackness personified. |
Augustine Mitzen
14.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
Because those who truly transcend the fads (see daft punk) will continue to be listened to while the mass produced corporate schlock they are selling will fade into distant memory.
Everything works itself out and being concerned about people buying tracks is a waste of time and energy.
I'm not encouraging "corporatisation (sic)" of the music scene. I just don't believe it's really that big of a deal in the first place. Also everyone's knee jerk reaction is evidence that none of you "get it." If you really cared just about your own artistic expression and not being recognized or getting paid then this wouldn't bother you one bit because it's not as if by doing this someone is taking away your ability to create your own tracks or promote yourself.
Btw I have no need to buy tracks and promote them. I have a full time day job which pays well. I just DJ for the fun of it. I guess you thought I was defending it because I want to use it. Like I said, I just don't care.
It is.
and by the way DJing and producing are two different things. |
Hank Guidas
14.06.2013 | Frank112916's argumentation isn't flawed. It sucks he's right though. I don't respect artists who let others do their job, but it happens and the average crowd isn't aware of it so they accept it. |
Suzann Hvezda
14.06.2013 | This kind of thing happens everywhere, i mean most of the popular apps out there are usually never written by the ceo or owners. They hire other people to do it for them. A lot of famous artist especially pop ones hire ghostwriters and music producers to have a complete track ready for them. I do recall other sites offering this service, but i dont remember the exact names of the site. |
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
13.06.2013 | It is probably going to decrease the likelihood of anyone hearing your music though if they have to wade through crap. And I just like that the music scene is a passionate bunch of people. The more idiots that put on phatties, fluffies and kandy the more saturated the scene becomes and it loses it's meaning just so someone can profit from it's exposure. That is the type of thing that Frank is promoting. I suck at producing so I don't do it, to buy a track and say that it's mine is just disgusting. |
Janeen Tarricone
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
My issue is that selling tracks will stop creativity in production, a music psychologist and a business analyst will get together and find everything that the masses want in music on a psychological level and make everything the same to meet those specifications as it is a low risk investment. Look at pop and rap for examples, most of it sounds the same within their genres. And yes you can argue that the real music will always come through, but why do we need all the filler so someone can line their pockets capitalising on the newest fad?
Correct, but when did we ever care about the mainstream? Are a music psychologist and business analyst going to show up in your studio and only let you record what the masses want on psychological level? The point being this type of service exists and has for some time, it's just starting to get more out in the open now. It's not going to change the way I make music and it sound like it isn't going to change the way you make music, so who cares. |
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
13.06.2013 | My issue is that selling tracks will stop creativity in production, a music psychologist and a business analyst will get together and find everything that the masses want in music on a psychological level and make everything the same to meet those specifications as it is a low risk investment. Look at pop and rap for examples, most of it sounds the same within their genres. And yes you can argue that the real music will always come through, but why do we need all the filler so someone can line their pockets capitalising on the newest fad? |
Dannie Dimora
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
You could always watch a youtube tutorial of someone else who remade it with massive
or sylenth and a shitload of nexus presets |
Dino Hapgood
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Worst post ever, why would you encourage the corporatisation of the music scene.
Because those who truly transcend the fads (see daft punk) will continue to be listened to while the mass produced corporate schlock they are selling will fade into distant memory.
Everything works itself out and being concerned about people buying tracks is a waste of time and energy.
I'm not encouraging "corporatisation (sic)" of the music scene. I just don't believe it's really that big of a deal in the first place. Also everyone's knee jerk reaction is evidence that none of you "get it." If you really cared just about your own artistic expression and not being recognized or getting paid then this wouldn't bother you one bit because it's not as if by doing this someone is taking away your ability to create your own tracks or promote yourself.
Btw I have no need to buy tracks and promote them. I have a full time day job which pays well. I just DJ for the fun of it. I guess you thought I was defending it because I want to use it. Like I said, I just don't care. |
Lilliana Perris
13.06.2013 | Flogg hiiiiiim!
Lol |
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
I don't see what the big deal is... Life is one big business decision and having "Artistic Integrity" is a business decision too....
Worst post ever, why would you encourage the corporatisation of the music scene. |
Sona Porcher
13.06.2013 | Someone linked this in the dubfire mixing thread a week or so ago and there was a tech house track available, some big name probably already bought it up and its forthcoming on beatport. |
Isa Erik
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
I wanted to read your entire post but after a few lines I realised you don't 'get' it at all - and if you find this acceptable it says something about as a person and the sort of character, musically and within life, that you are.
There are lines with all aspects of life, and this to me is one step too far.
Thankfully, a quick check on the site shows there is no music available yet - but when there is I look forward to hearing your 'new' single.
I agree with you |
Joesph Kasian
13.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
I don't see what the big deal is... Life is one big business decision and having "Artistic Integrity" is a business decision too. If not having artistic integrity is good for business then you should go that route, otherwise, stick with your integrity if you feel you will make a living that way. This is like the old sync/no sync debate. It doesn't matter how you get to where you do, as long as the crowd enjoys what you are doing. If the crowd likes the track you pass off as your own, then why not? Everyone wins. You win, the crowd wins, the producers of the track win, and everyone is happy. In the long term, the big winners are probably the crowd, and the producers, while you get the shaft because you can't find anymore hit tracks to buy and don't have any other marketable skills.
If you're really good at selecting tracks, and marketing them in a way that will gain you lots of fans, that surely is a skill though. It could be parlayed into cultivating the talent you see in others. You could bring up small-time producers who have great tracks and managing them or back them with money. Everything has a negative side, but you should try and see the positive aspect of it. Maybe there IS a specific sound you want for your sets, but you don't want to play the same track BignameDJX is playing. So you go out, buy a tune for 500 bucks, play that, and call it yours. Whatever. Like I said, there is always lessons to be learned and valuable insights and skills you can gain from any experience. Sure, a lot of people won't take that high road or see the potential in what they are doing, but those people probably won't make it very far, and even if they do, who cares?
I believe this is a case of envy. If someone buys a track and makes it big, but you sit in your room for days and can't make a hit or get a lot of fans from your track, you feel as though you've been cheated, when maybe you just suck at producing, or marketing, or whatever it may be that's not earning you a fan base and should find another path to success? Not saying that you definitely do suck at these things, but have you ever been introspective about this anger you harbor towards these websites?
Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, always play to your strengths while attempting to identify and correct your weaknesses. Never use your weakness as an excuse and never blame others for your inability to achieve a goal you have. There are many paths to the same goal and some are more difficult than others, but some are only difficult because you're the one putting up roadblocks on the path that would play more to your strengths. There is a difference between taking the easy way out and taking the smartest most efficient path. My whole point is that buying a track and playing to your marketing skills is not necessarily the EASY way out, it may just be the smartest for SOME people. However it may turn out to be a poor business decision in the long run if the people who take this route fail to correct their deficiencies at some point, or fail to identify a way to take their current success and diversify it into new ventures and opportunities.
I wanted to read your entire post but after a few lines I realised you don't 'get' it at all - and if you find this acceptable it says something about as a person and the sort of character, musically and within life, that you are.
There are lines with all aspects of life, and this to me is one step too far.
Thankfully, a quick check on the site shows there is no music available yet - but when there is I look forward to hearing your 'new' single. |
Dino Hapgood
13.06.2013 | I don't see what the big deal is... Life is one big business decision and having "Artistic Integrity" is a business decision too. If not having artistic integrity is good for business then you should go that route, otherwise, stick with your integrity if you feel you will make a living that way. This is like the old sync/no sync debate. It doesn't matter how you get to where you do, as long as the crowd enjoys what you are doing. If the crowd likes the track you pass off as your own, then why not? Everyone wins. You win, the crowd wins, the producers of the track win, and everyone is happy. In the long term, the big winners are probably the crowd, and the producers, while you get the shaft because you can't find anymore hit tracks to buy and don't have any other marketable skills.
If you're really good at selecting tracks, and marketing them in a way that will gain you lots of fans, that surely is a skill though. It could be parlayed into cultivating the talent you see in others. You could bring up small-time producers who have great tracks and managing them or back them with money. Everything has a negative side, but you should try and see the positive aspect of it. Maybe there IS a specific sound you want for your sets, but you don't want to play the same track BignameDJX is playing. So you go out, buy a tune for 500 bucks, play that, and call it yours. Whatever. Like I said, there is always lessons to be learned and valuable insights and skills you can gain from any experience. Sure, a lot of people won't take that high road or see the potential in what they are doing, but those people probably won't make it very far, and even if they do, who cares?
I believe this is a case of envy. If someone buys a track and makes it big, but you sit in your room for days and can't make a hit or get a lot of fans from your track, you feel as though you've been cheated, when maybe you just suck at producing, or marketing, or whatever it may be that's not earning you a fan base and should find another path to success? Not saying that you definitely do suck at these things, but have you ever been introspective about this anger you harbor towards these websites?
Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, always play to your strengths while attempting to identify and correct your weaknesses. Never use your weakness as an excuse and never blame others for your inability to achieve a goal you have. There are many paths to the same goal and some are more difficult than others, but some are only difficult because you're the one putting up roadblocks on the path that would play more to your strengths. There is a difference between taking the easy way out and taking the smartest most efficient path. My whole point is that buying a track and playing to your marketing skills is not necessarily the EASY way out, it may just be the smartest for SOME people. However it may turn out to be a poor business decision in the long run if the people who take this route fail to correct their deficiencies at some point, or fail to identify a way to take their current success and diversify it into new ventures and opportunities. |
Cinderella Donjon
13.06.2013 | Hmm all I see is an empty ugly site, with no songs. Just another site doomed to have no succes.
Nothing to see here, please move along. |
Nedra Fresneda
12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
The first thing that came to my mind is how could you possibly keep a straight face when someone asks you how you made that track. Hypothetically lets say I buy a track, blow up, get interviewed and people ask me how I made that signature sound, "uhhh just did what felt right." This blows my mind.
You could always watch a youtube tutorial of someone else who remade it with massive |
Ara Tima
12.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
The first thing that came to my mind is how could you possibly keep a straight face when someone asks you how you made that track. Hypothetically lets say I buy a track, blow up, get interviewed and people ask me how I made that signature sound, "uhhh just did what felt right." This blows my mind.
Yeah I believe the problem with that is though that the odds of somebody buying one of these generic/shit/boring style sort of tunes and getting big is pretty slim.... The guys making these wouldn't be putting too much effort and creativity in to the tracks... |
Johnsie Kingrea
12.06.2013 | The first thing that came to my mind is how could you possibly keep a straight face when someone asks you how you made that track. Hypothetically lets say I buy a track, blow up, get interviewed and people ask me how I made that signature sound, "uhhh just did what felt right." This blows my mind. |
Alfonzo Bigbee
12.06.2013 | I'm guessing the site must be full of seriously shitty music because I really can't see why anyone would finish a tune they're actually happy with, and would gladly release themselves, then just sign the credit over to someone else for a fraction of the money they could've made otherwise. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
12.06.2013 | From the story it sounds like its probably two of them mass producing garbage from Vengeance loops heh. Whats more sad though... the fact people use this service, or that the main stream audience actually likes the things they are using? Assuming we've heard some of them (Which who really knows now right?) |
Ara Tima
12.06.2013 | There's actually quite a few sites that offer this sort of service, it's not exactly new (or even unheard of in the music scene.. *cough* Guetta*cough*)
I imagine producers do it so that they can make some cash without playing the popularity/promotion game.. It'd probably be a more reliable source of income then producing under your own name/with integrity..
There was a thread on Inthemix a while back about it, even with a few producers owning up to submitting tracks to be on-sold. |
Lillia Datson
12.06.2013 | I wonder where they find the producers for all this? |
