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All midi controllers should have USB hubs!!
Posted on: 16.06.2013 by Stepanie Cutright
Am getting quite tired of USB hubs. I find them annoying and they take a power outlet. I like how the Kontrol Z2 has a built in USB hub, though i still find two to be limiting, and the Xone K2 has the X Link port. I believe all USB controllers should have a hub. Macbooks are so limited with just two hubs, so the audio interface takes one and the then everything else goes in a Hub. A FW interface would free up another USB port but its limiting.

Manufacturers really need to address this, other than the all-in-one controllers like the S4, combinations of multiple controllers, which are more common among professionals it seems, all require quite a few USB ports.

How do u guys manage ?

Cheers

Or8it
Javier Rowinsky
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Here's the problem. You never know how much power your controller is going to draw. That APC40 might be fine mapped to other software, but when you attach it to Live and load a session you can double your power consumption. The other side of this is you also don't know how much power your computer is going to allocate to your device. Your computer doesn't allocate full power to your USB device just because you plug it in. And once allocated, there are situations where that value can change.

There are also other influencing issues. For example, when I was at another company we received a batch of USB cables that were of poor enough quality that they took one of our products that was marginal and pushed them over the edge to intermittent failure.

A powered, multi-T hub makes life easier and WAY more reliable. Is it needed 100% of the time? Of course not. But I for one would rather have it and never worry about these issues. All it costs is one mains plug. And if you're a DJ and you don't have a traveller's power strip in your gig bag, that's on you.
Stoked that ur part of this thread to give sound advice brotha.

I'm gonna try this one out from Amazon. I like how it has on/off switches so I can power all my controllers down without having to A) shutdown my computer or B) have to unplug and replug 4 usbs everytime. Think it would be great for home set up. And yes it's powered. Any advice?

http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Port-I...abrent+USB+hub
Nedra Fresneda
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by sarasin
Maschine has its own power no?
USB powered
Jeffrey Akinsanya
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005GLDAVE

This hub works great for everything I've tried so far.
have you tried your cdjs?
Lilliana Perris
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Here's the problem. You never know how much power your controller is going to draw. That APC40 might be fine mapped to other software, but when you attach it to Live and load a session you can double your power consumption. The other side of this is you also don't know how much power your computer is going to allocate to your device. Your computer doesn't allocate full power to your USB device just because you plug it in. And once allocated, there are situations where that value can change.

There are also other influencing issues. For example, when I was at another company we received a batch of USB cables that were of poor enough quality that they took one of our products that was marginal and pushed them over the edge to intermittent failure.

A powered, multi-T hub makes life easier and WAY more reliable. Is it needed 100% of the time? Of course not. But I for one would rather have it and never worry about these issues. All it costs is one mains plug. And if you're a DJ and you don't have a traveller's power strip in your gig bag, that's on you.
Thank you sir....

Someone who knows what he is talking about and not giving half assed advice.
Diogo Dj Dragão
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by thepanache
I'm using a MBP with 2 USB 2.0 ports in my studio. Running my soundcard out of one port and a 4 port USB hub out of the other.

Got a MIDI keyboard, Maschine, wireless mouse and another controller running from the hub, no proplems what so ever, no latency, not underpowered, works like a charm. All done through a pretty cheap hub.

The point I'm trying to make is that using a USB hub is completely fine for controllers, they don't require too much power and only send MIDI data back to you're computer.
Here's the problem. You never know how much power your controller is going to draw. That APC40 might be fine mapped to other software, but when you attach it to Live and load a session you can double your power consumption. The other side of this is you also don't know how much power your computer is going to allocate to your device. Your computer doesn't allocate full power to your USB device just because you plug it in. And once allocated, there are situations where that value can change.

There are also other influencing issues. For example, when I was at another company we received a batch of USB cables that were of poor enough quality that they took one of our products that was marginal and pushed them over the edge to intermittent failure.

A powered, multi-T hub makes life easier and WAY more reliable. Is it needed 100% of the time? Of course not. But I for one would rather have it and never worry about these issues. All it costs is one mains plug. And if you're a DJ and you don't have a traveller's power strip in your gig bag, that's on you.
Doreen Schurle
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by thepanache
I'm using a MBP with 2 USB 2.0 ports in my studio. Running my soundcard out of one port and a 4 port USB hub out of the other.

Got a MIDI keyboard, Maschine, wireless mouse and another controller running from the hub, no proplems what so ever, no latency, not underpowered, works like a charm. All done through a pretty cheap hub.

The point I'm trying to make is that using a USB hub is completely fine for controllers, they don't require too much power and only send MIDI data back to you're computer.
This.
Javier Rowinsky
18.06.2013
Awesome, thanks for the help bro ill be buying one as well. Gonna hook up the 4A (when it arrives Thursday!!), DV1, F1, and a MF3D and give err a whirl. Thanks again
Diogo Dj Dragão
18.06.2013
Right.

FWIW this is the only hub I look for now. I bought 11 of them for NAMM, a couple for myself, and made several recommendations. No one has ever had a problem that I know of.

http://www.amazon.com/USB-2-0-7-PORT...s=multi+tt+hub
Javier Rowinsky
18.06.2013
The link I just posted doesn't say it's Multi-TT but it does say its backwards compatible with 2.0 or 1.1.

Multi TT means that you can plug in USB 1.1 and 2.0 and it won't slow down the ones connected with 2.0 right?
Alphonso Deitchman
18.06.2013
If you plan on using any USB 1.1 devices you'll want to make sure it's a Multi TT hub.
Javier Rowinsky
18.06.2013
And yeah power strip and a short extension cord is crucial. I work film productions so I have em on me at all times
Javier Rowinsky
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Here's the problem. You never know how much power your controller is going to draw. That APC40 might be fine mapped to other software, but when you attach it to Live and load a session you can double your power consumption. The other side of this is you also don't know how much power your computer is going to allocate to your device. Your computer doesn't allocate full power to your USB device just because you plug it in. And once allocated, there are situations where that value can change.

There are also other influencing issues. For example, when I was at another company we received a batch of USB cables that were of poor enough quality that they took one of our products that was marginal and pushed them over the edge to intermittent failure.

A powered, multi-T hub makes life easier and WAY more reliable. Is it needed 100% of the time? Of course not. But I for one would rather have it and never worry about these issues. All it costs is one mains plug. And if you're a DJ and you don't have a traveller's power strip in your gig bag, that's on you.
Stoked that ur part of this thread to give sound advice brotha.

I'm gonna try this one out from Amazon. I like how it has on/off switches so I can power all my controllers down without having to A) shutdown my computer or B) have to unplug and replug 4 usbs everytime. Think it would be great for home set up. And yes it's powered. Any advice?

http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Port-I...abrent+USB+hub
Nana Mohs
18.06.2013
A powered hub + a power strip is the way to go IMO
I carry a couple power strips with me, and have been the hero of many gigs... lol
I've even started packing a power strip with me when I go to parties that I'm not
playing at. It's kind of crazy how often people don't plan for that.

Back on topic. A DJ controller w/a non powered usb hub is going to be just
as useless as a separate non-powered hub in almost every situation. I have cut back my setup
and only use 2 ports at most now, but if I were to need more than 2 ports there is no way I'd use
something not powered.
Nedra Fresneda
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by sarasin
Maschine has its own power no?
USB powered
Alphonso Deitchman
18.06.2013
Works fine with 2 CDJs + DJM yes. Edit: And an X1 on top.
Jeffrey Akinsanya
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005GLDAVE

This hub works great for everything I've tried so far.
have you tried your cdjs?
Lilliana Perris
18.06.2013
LOL....The VCI100 comes shipped...without the power adapter.
So yes..its USB powered (power comes via the USB cable)...unless you buy the adapter.
It is half assed as its plainly just not true.

If you have powered USB devices...(that have their own power cables) then you do not need to have a Powered USB Hub.

If you are hanging devices off your hub that have no power cable and have a load of LED's and other goodies that suck power....you will run into trouble with a USB hub that is not powered.

Its is very simple my friend. Not trying to knock anyone, purely saying that you can't call that a myth. HAHAHAHA

Go and try it and have a look.

I have a USB hub that can work without its power cable. If i hang an external HHD off it with no power...a mouse...a VCI100 with no power cable...things start going wrong quickly.

Plug the Hubs power in....all sorted.
Alphonso Deitchman
18.06.2013
The VCI 100 has it's own power. Maschine does not.

Just because someone has a different experience and opinion that doesn't make their advice "half assed".
Lilliana Perris
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Here's the problem. You never know how much power your controller is going to draw. That APC40 might be fine mapped to other software, but when you attach it to Live and load a session you can double your power consumption. The other side of this is you also don't know how much power your computer is going to allocate to your device. Your computer doesn't allocate full power to your USB device just because you plug it in. And once allocated, there are situations where that value can change.

There are also other influencing issues. For example, when I was at another company we received a batch of USB cables that were of poor enough quality that they took one of our products that was marginal and pushed them over the edge to intermittent failure.

A powered, multi-T hub makes life easier and WAY more reliable. Is it needed 100% of the time? Of course not. But I for one would rather have it and never worry about these issues. All it costs is one mains plug. And if you're a DJ and you don't have a traveller's power strip in your gig bag, that's on you.
Thank you sir....

Someone who knows what he is talking about and not giving half assed advice.
Lilliana Perris
18.06.2013
Maschine has its own power no?

If the devices you are hanging off the USB Hub have their own power....then its no issue.

If you have things like a VCI100 or other USB powered devices...you need to have the Hub powered.
Diogo Dj Dragão
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by thepanache
I'm using a MBP with 2 USB 2.0 ports in my studio. Running my soundcard out of one port and a 4 port USB hub out of the other.

Got a MIDI keyboard, Maschine, wireless mouse and another controller running from the hub, no proplems what so ever, no latency, not underpowered, works like a charm. All done through a pretty cheap hub.

The point I'm trying to make is that using a USB hub is completely fine for controllers, they don't require too much power and only send MIDI data back to you're computer.
Here's the problem. You never know how much power your controller is going to draw. That APC40 might be fine mapped to other software, but when you attach it to Live and load a session you can double your power consumption. The other side of this is you also don't know how much power your computer is going to allocate to your device. Your computer doesn't allocate full power to your USB device just because you plug it in. And once allocated, there are situations where that value can change.

There are also other influencing issues. For example, when I was at another company we received a batch of USB cables that were of poor enough quality that they took one of our products that was marginal and pushed them over the edge to intermittent failure.

A powered, multi-T hub makes life easier and WAY more reliable. Is it needed 100% of the time? Of course not. But I for one would rather have it and never worry about these issues. All it costs is one mains plug. And if you're a DJ and you don't have a traveller's power strip in your gig bag, that's on you.
Doreen Schurle
18.06.2013
Originally Posted by thepanache
I'm using a MBP with 2 USB 2.0 ports in my studio. Running my soundcard out of one port and a 4 port USB hub out of the other.

Got a MIDI keyboard, Maschine, wireless mouse and another controller running from the hub, no proplems what so ever, no latency, not underpowered, works like a charm. All done through a pretty cheap hub.

The point I'm trying to make is that using a USB hub is completely fine for controllers, they don't require too much power and only send MIDI data back to you're computer.
This.
Syreeta Piela
18.06.2013
I'm using a MBP with 2 USB 2.0 ports in my studio. Running my soundcard out of one port and a 4 port USB hub out of the other.

Got a MIDI keyboard, Maschine, wireless mouse and another controller running from the hub, no proplems what so ever, no latency, not underpowered, works like a charm. All done through a pretty cheap hub.

The point I'm trying to make is that using a USB hub is completely fine for controllers, they don't require too much power and only send MIDI data back to you're computer.
Lilliana Perris
17.06.2013
There is no chance I could use my VCI100, Sound Card and my APC off a Hub, without powering it.

No dice.
Lilliana Perris
17.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
You don't actually NEED powered USB hubs for most devices, that's one of the biggest "DJ myths" around tbh.

I can happily run 4 controllers (1x Reloop Contour IE, 1x Reloop Contour CE, 1x Kontrol F1 and 1x Korg nanoKONTROL) off a single, unpowered hub.

It's rare that units without audio interfaces draw more than a couple of hundred miliamps each, and most USB ports can safely deliver 1-1.5A, because the official USB specification states that the MINIMUM a port should be able to provide is 500mA; in reality, most machines can provide significantly more than that.

Best practice these days seems to be: audio interface/controller with audio interface into one port, everything else into an unpowered hub on the other port. Problem solved
I Disagree with you here.

To avoid drops ...when playing in front of a 1000 plus people...you should use a powered hub.
In a lil club...its no biggie.

However, if you are doing a pro gig...to 1000's that have paid a big ticket price....dont muck around.
Alphonso Deitchman
17.06.2013
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005GLDAVE

This hub works great for everything I've tried so far.
Doreen Schurle
17.06.2013
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Satechi-Prem.../dp/B007X6XJ98

One of these; I didn't pay
Latoria Kavulich
16.06.2013
You need a powered hub for the MF3D
Margie Pavell
16.06.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
You don't actually NEED powered USB hubs for most devices, that's one of the biggest "DJ myths" around tbh.

I can happily run 4 controllers (1x Reloop Contour IE, 1x Reloop Contour CE, 1x Kontrol F1 and 1x Korg nanoKONTROL) off a single, unpowered hub.

It's rare that units without audio interfaces draw more than a couple of hundred miliamps each, and most USB ports can safely deliver 1-1.5A, because the official USB specification states that the MINIMUM a port should be able to provide is 500mA; in reality, most machines can provide significantly more than that.

Best practice these days seems to be: audio interface/controller with audio interface into one port, everything else into an unpowered hub on the other port. Problem solved
what hub are you using?
Doreen Schurle
17.06.2013
You don't actually NEED powered USB hubs for most devices, that's one of the biggest "DJ myths" around tbh.

I can happily run 4 controllers (1x Reloop Contour IE, 1x Reloop Contour CE, 1x Kontrol F1 and 1x Korg nanoKONTROL) off a single, unpowered hub.

It's rare that units without audio interfaces draw more than a couple of hundred miliamps each, and most USB ports can safely deliver 1-1.5A, because the official USB specification states that the MINIMUM a port should be able to provide is 500mA; in reality, most machines can provide significantly more than that.

Best practice these days seems to be: audio interface/controller with audio interface into one port, everything else into an unpowered hub on the other port. Problem solved
Izola Larose
16.06.2013
hemmm my laptop has 4 usb hubs but im going to switch to a surface pro or something simaler soon so a powered usb hub is the way to go. get a good power strip for your gig bag and you should be able to plug in everything thing you own. i agree that more usbs on things would be nice but there is a issue of power, most of the modular products are usb powered and usb is only allowed so much draw per port so if you start chaining a bunch of stuff together you run out of power very fast. i believe the way to do it is just make good non usb powered mixer that has extra usb ports on it (grabs mixer, usb hub and screwdriver) .
Kellie Myrum
16.06.2013
Using CMD MM-1
Gaynell Rydberg
16.06.2013
Linking controllers is fairly new tech (I believe so anyways).

Pretty much all the modular controllers coming out now have this feature.

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