what are your thoughts on this buisnes opportunity? some of my close friends from highschool and myself have had quite an interesting conversation the other day, one owns a clothing line, another just bought a evening
club that used to have a really bad name in my town, we changed the name and are doing renovations on it to make it more of a club than the crappy pub it used to be, and myself as a dj, what we were / planning on doing is, ill dj there ( at first just for drinks just because they need money for reno's but down the road id charge 100$ a evening
or something. ) , the owner has the venue, and my other friend would sponsor the event with his clothing line. ( id only be djing there on saturdays and some fridays , mostly the packed evening
s, theres 2 stages, one on a patio outside (its really cool and usually packed ) and a stage inside which needs lots of work )
what are your opinions on this idea? |
Tera Baragan
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
really man?! thats close by to where were set up! were in pg! and yeah i have me and my whole crew ( producers, dj's and promoters ) all help out and promote the place
Yea dude! check out my soundcloud if you wanna check out my style. BC respect |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
I've yet to see people give tips to the DJ though
Something is EXTREMELY wrong with this picture then if everyone is working for free. Someone is making big money if the place is packed and everyone else is being taken for a fool IMHO.
well myself, the owner, nor the bartenders take pay because it needs so much reno's, were all just wanting something different in our town that works, usually in our town the summer months are the dead months here, so if were packing it on saturdays its not too bad, and there only allowed to be open til midevening
because they dont have the licence that allows them to be open til 3, thats why its hard on them id believe, doesnt get bussy until 10 - 1030 ish, and in that time people have 3 drinks maybe til closing?, and their max cap is like 100 inside , 50-75 outside, kind a sucks for the meantime til they get their licence |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
I've yet to see people give tips to the DJ though
Something is EXTREMELY wrong with this picture then if everyone is working for free. Someone is making big money if the place is packed and everyone else is being taken for a fool IMHO.
An oral contract ain't worth the paper its written on.
I really hope the bartenders are able to keep their tips |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
yeah, im going to see how this weekend goes since they had this weekend booked for an event a long time ago, if its dead itll show them that they need to keep me around and start paying
Yeah, but I really wouldn't let it go past this coming weekend if I were you |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Kwal
If it was packed, they're doing alright on the financial side... Do you bring in any friends? If the answer is yes, then you're doing your part. In all seriousness, I wouldn't do another evening
without pay. Tell them what you want, $75-100 should be fitting in my opinion. If they agree, do the evening
and see how they are when it comes to paying you.. If you have to chase them around for an extra hour after the place shuts down trying to collect your dues, then you're going to want to get something in writing seeing as your buddies are now toying with you, assuming you're gullible, etc.
That's how I would do it personally.
yeah, im going to see how this weekend goes since they had this weekend booked for an event a long time ago, if its dead itll show them that they need to keep me around and start paying |
Rolanda Clodfelder
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
both bartenders and servers are working for free, the other dj works for free ( 1 on the patio outside, one inside )
I've yet to see people give tips to the DJ though
Something is EXTREMELY wrong with this picture then if everyone is working for free. Someone is making big money if the place is packed and everyone else is being taken for a fool IMHO.
An oral contract ain't worth the paper its written on. |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
well i played there last weekend and it was packed, the weekend before it was fairly packed, and if it keeps going how it is, this upcomming weekend will be packed aswell.
If it was packed, they're doing alright on the financial side... Do you bring in any friends? If the answer is yes, then you're doing your part. In all seriousness, I wouldn't do another evening
without pay. Tell them what you want, $75-100 should be fitting in my opinion. If they agree, do the evening
and see how they are when it comes to paying you.. If you have to chase them around for an extra hour after the place shuts down trying to collect your dues, then you're going to want to get something in writing seeing as your buddies are now toying with you, assuming you're gullible, etc.
That's how I would do it personally. |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Kwal
Honestly I'd probably let it pan out at least a evening
or two before hitting your close buddies with hand written contracts.. It's not like you're signing something that demands your attendance, nor do they have a gun to your head. Try it out twice, maybe three times as a last ditch effort to make something of it. After that you'll have a fairly good idea as to weather or not this will have any success.
well i played there last weekend and it was packed, the weekend before it was fairly packed, and if it keeps going how it is, this upcomming weekend will be packed aswell. |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
If you need any ghetto funk, glitch hop djs lemme know. I live in Vernon!
Biggest thing for you would to help promote the place. Find some people in the local scene and get them to promote you as well.
really man?! thats close by to where were set up! were in pg! and yeah i have me and my whole crew ( producers, dj's and promoters ) all help out and promote the place |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
You are the only one thats working for free by the sounds of it and yet being depended on to create an atmosphere.
both bartenders and servers are working for free, the other dj works for free ( 1 on the patio outside, one inside ) |
Katie Ahmady
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
I agree with all this above.
Right now it seems like it's all shits and giggles...lets get a club going, lets get you playing, lets get it sponsored by the clothing company - it won't be easy. As mentioned in another post it might fail and look badly on you failing to pack it out with your DJing. Or it might become a big success and you will want more money, money they might not pay you and then the arguments begin.
I believe you need to really go though every possible outcome with your friends so you all know where you stand and how things could go.
^^^ THIS! Plus what 031999 said about getting everything money-related in writing. It may seem awkward to breach these subjects with friends (what if nobody comes to our club? what if we underestimate the costs of staying open?), but it's very important to set everyone's expectations now so that there aren't any nasty surprises down the road. |
Rolanda Clodfelder
24.06.2013 |
well myself, the owner, nor the bartenders take pay because it needs so much reno's, were all just wanting something different in our town that works
Sounds more like a hobby than a business
Just make sure when there is a cashflow that you are not the last person to get on the payroll.
The bartenders are making tips for sure at least,
The owner has the profits and a tangible asset essentially being built for free.
.... the dj ? .. a smile and thunk you very much. |
Tera Baragan
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
really man?! thats close by to where were set up! were in pg! and yeah i have me and my whole crew ( producers, dj's and promoters ) all help out and promote the place
Yea dude! check out my soundcloud if you wanna check out my style. BC respect |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
I've yet to see people give tips to the DJ though
Something is EXTREMELY wrong with this picture then if everyone is working for free. Someone is making big money if the place is packed and everyone else is being taken for a fool IMHO.
well myself, the owner, nor the bartenders take pay because it needs so much reno's, were all just wanting something different in our town that works, usually in our town the summer months are the dead months here, so if were packing it on saturdays its not too bad, and there only allowed to be open til midevening
because they dont have the licence that allows them to be open til 3, thats why its hard on them id believe, doesnt get bussy until 10 - 1030 ish, and in that time people have 3 drinks maybe til closing?, and their max cap is like 100 inside , 50-75 outside, kind a sucks for the meantime til they get their licence |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
I've yet to see people give tips to the DJ though
Something is EXTREMELY wrong with this picture then if everyone is working for free. Someone is making big money if the place is packed and everyone else is being taken for a fool IMHO.
An oral contract ain't worth the paper its written on.
I really hope the bartenders are able to keep their tips |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
yeah, im going to see how this weekend goes since they had this weekend booked for an event a long time ago, if its dead itll show them that they need to keep me around and start paying
Yeah, but I really wouldn't let it go past this coming weekend if I were you |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Kwal
If it was packed, they're doing alright on the financial side... Do you bring in any friends? If the answer is yes, then you're doing your part. In all seriousness, I wouldn't do another evening
without pay. Tell them what you want, $75-100 should be fitting in my opinion. If they agree, do the evening
and see how they are when it comes to paying you.. If you have to chase them around for an extra hour after the place shuts down trying to collect your dues, then you're going to want to get something in writing seeing as your buddies are now toying with you, assuming you're gullible, etc.
That's how I would do it personally.
yeah, im going to see how this weekend goes since they had this weekend booked for an event a long time ago, if its dead itll show them that they need to keep me around and start paying |
Rolanda Clodfelder
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
both bartenders and servers are working for free, the other dj works for free ( 1 on the patio outside, one inside )
I've yet to see people give tips to the DJ though
Something is EXTREMELY wrong with this picture then if everyone is working for free. Someone is making big money if the place is packed and everyone else is being taken for a fool IMHO.
An oral contract ain't worth the paper its written on. |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djdust1724
well i played there last weekend and it was packed, the weekend before it was fairly packed, and if it keeps going how it is, this upcomming weekend will be packed aswell.
If it was packed, they're doing alright on the financial side... Do you bring in any friends? If the answer is yes, then you're doing your part. In all seriousness, I wouldn't do another evening
without pay. Tell them what you want, $75-100 should be fitting in my opinion. If they agree, do the evening
and see how they are when it comes to paying you.. If you have to chase them around for an extra hour after the place shuts down trying to collect your dues, then you're going to want to get something in writing seeing as your buddies are now toying with you, assuming you're gullible, etc.
That's how I would do it personally. |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Kwal
Honestly I'd probably let it pan out at least a evening
or two before hitting your close buddies with hand written contracts.. It's not like you're signing something that demands your attendance, nor do they have a gun to your head. Try it out twice, maybe three times as a last ditch effort to make something of it. After that you'll have a fairly good idea as to weather or not this will have any success.
well i played there last weekend and it was packed, the weekend before it was fairly packed, and if it keeps going how it is, this upcomming weekend will be packed aswell. |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
If you need any ghetto funk, glitch hop djs lemme know. I live in Vernon!
Biggest thing for you would to help promote the place. Find some people in the local scene and get them to promote you as well.
really man?! thats close by to where were set up! were in pg! and yeah i have me and my whole crew ( producers, dj's and promoters ) all help out and promote the place |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
You are the only one thats working for free by the sounds of it and yet being depended on to create an atmosphere.
both bartenders and servers are working for free, the other dj works for free ( 1 on the patio outside, one inside ) |
Sonja Roybal
24.06.2013 | If they aren't charging at the door, I'd ask for some of the bar. That way they're not going to be out of money if it tanks and all of you can share in the profit. |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 | Honestly I'd probably let it pan out at least a evening
or two before hitting your close buddies with hand written contracts.. It's not like you're signing something that demands your attendance, nor do they have a gun to your head. Try it out twice, maybe three times as a last ditch effort to make something of it. After that you'll have a fairly good idea as to weather or not this will have any success. |
Katie Ahmady
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
I agree with all this above.
Right now it seems like it's all shits and giggles...lets get a club going, lets get you playing, lets get it sponsored by the clothing company - it won't be easy. As mentioned in another post it might fail and look badly on you failing to pack it out with your DJing. Or it might become a big success and you will want more money, money they might not pay you and then the arguments begin.
I believe you need to really go though every possible outcome with your friends so you all know where you stand and how things could go.
^^^ THIS! Plus what 031999 said about getting everything money-related in writing. It may seem awkward to breach these subjects with friends (what if nobody comes to our club? what if we underestimate the costs of staying open?), but it's very important to set everyone's expectations now so that there aren't any nasty surprises down the road. |
Tera Baragan
24.06.2013 | If you need any ghetto funk, glitch hop djs lemme know. I live in Vernon!
Biggest thing for you would to help promote the place. Find some people in the local scene and get them to promote you as well. |
Lannie Kutay
24.06.2013 | I must emphasize one thing, whether you use our ideas or not.
GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING!!!
when money is involved people tend to forget what they said.... so please do your self a favor and draw up a small brief contract, it can even be like a small paragraph. Just state you terms, and that if they are not met, then you are free to leave. That way no one has amnesia later. If he is really your friend he will totally understand, that its for both of your protection. |
Rolanda Clodfelder
24.06.2013 |
at first just for drinks just because they need money for reno's
Renovations are the sole responsibility of the club owner, unless you own a stake in it, its not your problem to "help out".
You are the only one thats working for free by the sounds of it and yet being depended on to create an atmosphere.
I agree with Kwal, decide on maybe three evening
s for free "to help them out" OR a small cut of the bar take. |
Hellen Mindrup
24.06.2013 | Do a few free evening
s, promote to your close friends, etc. If it doesn't pick up after about 3 events then just remove yourself from the project. |
Tonita Mujanovic
24.06.2013 | its kinda a niche market because they want to go more of " underground " music, instead of most evening
clubs, they want to play glitch hop, ghetto funk, trap , etc, none of the top 40 or electro stuff. which makes it more fun, i dont dj for the money, i do it for the passion for the music. hopefully it turns out good, because the owner ( my buddy ) said once the reno's are done he would be more than willing to pay, and in my town ( its tiny lol ) we have 2 clubs 1 gay bar, one evening
club, and now this one, so i believe it will work, if not there are always more gigs out there 8)
pretty much anything youd hear at Shambhala music festival |
Lannie Kutay
24.06.2013 | i say give it a shot. there's a million dudes who will dj for free, that will come after you. so don't feel bad if you don't want to dj at the club after a while. |
Joesph Kasian
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
If you believe your time is worth a few free beers, it probably is.
Now that being said, don't sell yourself short. I understand this is helping a buddy out. But honestly with any business you are going to have to look at your revenue vs cost relationship, and see if it really is /worth/ your time doing. Of course if you are illegally downloading tracks and not investing any money into gear, it's not going to be something you believe twice about. I'm not saying that you are in any way, shape or form.
But DJing is something that isn't free. Gear, Music, and time are all valuable commodities. Nothing is free, neither should be your time.
It's something that I see in a lot of people just starting out. I've even done it myself before, playing charity gigs and not really expecting anything back. But that at least pays off in public relations, and selling yourself as a brand.
Long story short: Don't sell yourself short.
I agree with all this above.
Right now it seems like it's all shits and giggles...lets get a club going, lets get you playing, lets get it sponsored by the clothing company - it won't be easy. As mentioned in another post it might fail and look badly on you failing to pack it out with your DJing. Or it might become a big success and you will want more money, money they might not pay you and then the arguments begin.
I believe you need to really go though every possible outcome with your friends so you all know where you stand and how things could go. |
Lillia Datson
24.06.2013 | Im no businessman, but i did read in the 'hacienda:how not to run a club' that you should never go into business with friends. |
Bryon Taglieri
24.06.2013 | Do it but maybe get something in writing that guarantees payment in the future.
Back when I started out Djing I turned a non paying residency in a club nite which got really big through every bodies hard work into regular paying gigs in raves and events. This was in the early 90's and having my name in the cities music papers every week really help with getting the extra paying gigs. |
Audrey Pinda
24.06.2013 | If you believe your time is worth a few free beers, it probably is.
Now that being said, don't sell yourself short. I understand this is helping a buddy out. But honestly with any business you are going to have to look at your revenue vs cost relationship, and see if it really is /worth/ your time doing. Of course if you are illegally downloading tracks and not investing any money into gear, it's not going to be something you believe twice about. I'm not saying that you are in any way, shape or form.
But DJing is something that isn't free. Gear, Music, and time are all valuable commodities. Nothing is free, neither should be your time.
It's something that I see in a lot of people just starting out. I've even done it myself before, playing charity gigs and not really expecting anything back. But that at least pays off in public relations, and selling yourself as a brand.
Long story short: Don't sell yourself short. |
Rodger Seferovic
24.06.2013 | Sounds like a blast but things might go sour when you can't fill up the evening
s. Would be a good chance for you to gain more djing experience but you might get tired of being tied down for a residency that doesn't pay if it things don't pan out. Also $ might kill friendships. |
