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Integrating Spotify Library to Traktor / Serato
Posted on: 10.11.2011 by Princess Creaven
I don't know if u guys have tried Spotify.. but wow. Here in Sweden it has transformed the market, practicly every person using a computer is using it to listen. I am sure, u guys in america will pretty soon to.

I am often using it to find and store new music for my sets, incredibly quick and fast. What would be some next level shit, was if there would be some kind of bridge from spotify directly to traktor or serato. I mean, since Spotify already caches your whole library on your computer, it shouldn't be no problem. Also their team have recently released an API which makes it easy to integrate to any software (only available if u have the premium acount).

So guys, would you be willing to pay 9.99 a month for millions of songs directly available in ur set? Requests would never be a problem again. (Edit: Actually I would pay 19.99 or more to get this ability, shouldn't that counter the license issues?)

Im sure waiting for this..
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
Luna Sopcak
01.07.2013
Originally Posted by MixiM
liffgarden and Karlos, Good points. The way i would spin this from the spotify perspective, is that spotify would be used for bedroom DJ's, and market to them. And Karlos, it wouldn't be NI's headache, as it is not them controlling the licensing, it would be in the hands of spottily, because they are in contact with the record labels and licensing agreements.

Maybe Spotify should propose a "Spotify Professional Account" that enables software to cache two songs at a time and include licensing to play for an audience for 19.99... I would surely pay it. But heheh, yeah i can already see the record companies frown at this.

Im not a professional DJ... For the last 2 months my VCI-100 at home has been sitting and dusting just because of the fact that my entire library of new music is in Spotify. And have no energy of finding/purchasing the songs in MP3 formats just for my bedroom and family parties.

Someone, will make this, but i just want Spotify to be a part of this first, since IMHO it's by far the best, and most mature streaming service out there today. And Karlos,if u have multiple devices u should give spotify premium a try... I'm not even working there but boy has it make my life easier..
Hey MixiM--

Pulselocker does this exact thing. Stream 4M tracks (a la spotify), download files locally to your Locker (for offline play with no latency) and buy only the music you want to keep. You can also edit the meta data in Traktor/Serato, and include support for things like cue points, loops, etc. www.pulselocker.com
Princess Creaven
21.02.2013
Originally Posted by basspenetrator
fyi: as of today spotify is available in germany
And yet, still no news on this solution ....
I guess this was more of a license/political rather than technical issue
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
Princess Creaven
25.11.2011
Originally Posted by 3IJ
spotify streams at 168kb/s.....just sayin
This has already been anwsered.. but what also needs to be added is that the songs have been encoded using high profile ogg vorbis.. which would be equivalent to a higher bitrate of mp3 in soundquality. And it does sound flawless imho.. Just turn off volume normalization for a db boost. But yea.. as stated. premium account gives u 320kbits anyways.
Luna Sopcak
01.07.2013
Originally Posted by MixiM
liffgarden and Karlos, Good points. The way i would spin this from the spotify perspective, is that spotify would be used for bedroom DJ's, and market to them. And Karlos, it wouldn't be NI's headache, as it is not them controlling the licensing, it would be in the hands of spottily, because they are in contact with the record labels and licensing agreements.

Maybe Spotify should propose a "Spotify Professional Account" that enables software to cache two songs at a time and include licensing to play for an audience for 19.99... I would surely pay it. But heheh, yeah i can already see the record companies frown at this.

Im not a professional DJ... For the last 2 months my VCI-100 at home has been sitting and dusting just because of the fact that my entire library of new music is in Spotify. And have no energy of finding/purchasing the songs in MP3 formats just for my bedroom and family parties.

Someone, will make this, but i just want Spotify to be a part of this first, since IMHO it's by far the best, and most mature streaming service out there today. And Karlos,if u have multiple devices u should give spotify premium a try... I'm not even working there but boy has it make my life easier..
Hey MixiM--

Pulselocker does this exact thing. Stream 4M tracks (a la spotify), download files locally to your Locker (for offline play with no latency) and buy only the music you want to keep. You can also edit the meta data in Traktor/Serato, and include support for things like cue points, loops, etc. www.pulselocker.com
Princess Creaven
21.02.2013
Originally Posted by basspenetrator
fyi: as of today spotify is available in germany
And yet, still no news on this solution ....
I guess this was more of a license/political rather than technical issue
robin loo
13.03.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
also ni won
Sharri Kenimer
13.03.2012
Pulling a track from spotify into Serato Scratch Live can be done with the livefeed feature.
-> http://serato.com/manuals/scratchliv...3/2.1/livefeed
Stanford Alarie
12.03.2012
Hi liffgarden,

Do you know if there are any projects under way to achieve this task? I'm a software developer and a DJ tinkerer and would absolutely love it if this were a reality. Although C is not my language of choice I'd be willing to have a look at it to get this done.

I'll have a troll to see if I can find anything on Github or Bitbucket.
Princess Creaven
25.11.2011
Originally Posted by 3IJ
spotify streams at 168kb/s.....just sayin
This has already been anwsered.. but what also needs to be added is that the songs have been encoded using high profile ogg vorbis.. which would be equivalent to a higher bitrate of mp3 in soundquality. And it does sound flawless imho.. Just turn off volume normalization for a db boost. But yea.. as stated. premium account gives u 320kbits anyways.
Cecila Califf
25.11.2011
168Kb/s is correct for Spotify open. 320Kb/s as an option if you got Premium and 96Kb/S as an option on mobile to avoid bill shock.
Philip Degener
24.11.2011
spotify streams at 168kb/s.....just sayin
Princess Creaven
24.11.2011
Spotify Just Lanuched in Austri , Switzerland, Denmark and some other places.Maybe when it reaches germany, the home of NI, will they start to tinker with it =)
Roselee Jasnoch
23.11.2011
Definitely want to see where things will go with this!
Tresa Kafer
23.11.2011
If there was a way to share playlists between the two, without stepping into any licensing issues, that would still be a huge bonus. In other words, I'd love to see my spotify playlists inside Serato, but I could only play the tracks if I actually had them on my hard drive in the Serato library.

And in the other direction, it'd be great to see Serato crates represented as playlists in spotify. Maybe not so ideal for sharing with other folks, but it would certainly lead me to use spotify more since I could edit my DJ playlists there.
Matt Kane
11.11.2011
also ni won
Cecila Califf
11.11.2011
We believe Spotify is a lot of things but most importantly - we are a platform for all things music. This mean that we have a free tier that helps you get started with a legal & licensed alternative. If you like it enough, then you can pay either 5 or 10 Euros. If you are a developer you can use LibSpotify or our HTTP API:s to build playlist sharing sites or integrate Spotify into any type of Hardware or Software. Yes, there are limitations (as Karlos rightfully pointed out) but discussions like this is the kind of dialog we use to see where we will go next. Over time in digital, technology and creativity usually wins over older distribution paradigms.

So keep ideas coming, we are trolling here
Princess Creaven
11.11.2011
liffgarden and Karlos, Good points. The way i would spin this from the spotify perspective, is that spotify would be used for bedroom DJ's, and market to them. And Karlos, it wouldn't be NI's headache, as it is not them controlling the licensing, it would be in the hands of spottily, because they are in contact with the record labels and licensing agreements.

Maybe Spotify should propose a "Spotify Professional Account" that enables software to cache two songs at a time and include licensing to play for an audience for 19.99... I would surely pay it. But heheh, yeah i can already see the record companies frown at this.

Im not a professional DJ... For the last 2 months my VCI-100 at home has been sitting and dusting just because of the fact that my entire library of new music is in Spotify. And have no energy of finding/purchasing the songs in MP3 formats just for my bedroom and family parties.

Someone, will make this, but i just want Spotify to be a part of this first, since IMHO it's by far the best, and most mature streaming service out there today. And Karlos,if u have multiple devices u should give spotify premium a try... I'm not even working there but boy has it make my life easier..
Vincent Foglio
11.11.2011
I'm just a spectator, a good community ,Hope everyone has had good luck, happy every day
nayit ruiz jaramillo
10.11.2011
Thanks for the input liffgarden. This is certainly an interesting proposition. As you say Spotify is for non-commercial use.
BMI, ASCAP, PRS and all those kinds of companies would see this as a massive money spinner even if it was a Paid service, the costs could be prohibitive for DJs.

On the face of it, it would seem like the next natural step for DJing in some respects but the cynic in me just believes, where theres a buck to be made someone will find a way of squeezing it out of us (us being the DJs) and in the long run it may even damage what Spotify is actually about which is the free listening to music for the masses (apologies if i have got that wrong, thats just my understanding of it).

As soon as the vultures start to circle things get ugly.

Please keep us updated as to any developments
Cecila Califf
10.11.2011
Hi, avid reader of DJTT, I work for Spotify (business development) and dabble as hobby DJ. I can say that many of us here at Spotify believe it would be pretty cool to have 15 million or so tracks in your record bag at every gig.

LibSpotify can certainly be used for that but our developer license is for private, non-commercial use only due to our agreements with rights holders and public performance so Karlos has a point.

If any of you developers are out there and are curious, don't hesitate to get in touch!

[email protected]
nayit ruiz jaramillo
10.11.2011
As soon as you start playing these tunes in public someone will want paying.

http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/06/pub...e-anxiety.html

This discussion has been going for sometime.

http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/t...or_dj_software


I don't know that much about Spotify (just the basics), but I do know about Native Instruments and whilst I do not actually work or speak for NI i would bet my ass that they would not touch this with with a 10ft poll and I dare say the same would be true for Serato because they want to spend ALL their money and ALL their time making software (and hardware in NIs case).

They dont want to spend a single nano-second going through the legal machinations of allowing the live public performance of music (directly through their software) that is not licensed for public performance or is licensed but will lead to PRS or ASCAP chasing DJs for money.

Now... hot on my heals is someone with a "get with the times dude" post, or "the old paradigm is outdated" rant... yeah maybe... but NI want to make DJ software. If someone else comes up with this then fine but...

How would you set grids, loops cues etc unless you had the track to manipulate and save?
Julissa Serrone
10.11.2011
That would be great...however I believe one issue is you can only play one spotify track at a time. But that would still be awesome.
Princess Creaven
10.11.2011
http://getsatisfaction.com/spotify/t...or_dj_software

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