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Upgrade to iOS 7 not recommended for TRAKTOR DJ users‏
Posted on: 19.09.2013 by Marlyn Hundl
Email just received from NI:

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Dear DJ,

iOS 7 is here, but it seems there are serious issues concerning audio. TRAKTOR DJ, along with many other audio apps, is experiencing performance and stability issues on iOS 7. Initial testing has also revealed general audio performance issues that can affect some Native Instruments hardware. If you use TRAKTOR DJ or audio apps, we recommend you don
Alma Bernadotte
20.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
If this were the case, why do they even release the betas to developers?
The statement is bs. dJay and DJPlayer are iOS 7 ready in time (it's even in the news at DJTT). Why shouldn't NI, a bigger company, with more resources, not be able to get the product ready in time?
Joesph Kasian
19.09.2013
Originally Posted by Cook
Any word on the ios rekordbox not working on 7? i only ever use it when im at my mates but still kinda embarrassing if it crashes
I have to ask - why do you DJ in clubs wearing sunglasses?
Irmgard Sandness
19.09.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

I completely reject any blame on NI or Audiobus or anyone else for that matter. Apples iOS7 betas are for Apple to get right.
If this were the case, why do they even release the betas to developers?
nayit ruiz jaramillo
19.09.2013
Originally Posted by stinky
Not to belittle iOS 7 but most changes are in design rather than functionality.
If this were true why have multiple app developers recommended that users do not update. The issues 'must' be pretty bad and more that just cosmetic.

Originally Posted by stinky
Why can't NI figure this out over months of beta versions? Why do they work with Apple now rather than before the release date??
Again, you seem to assume that NI (and others) have not been testing on iOS7 but, NI will have concentrated most of the testing on a stable and supported OS (iOS6). They don't use all their resources testing on future OS no matter how near release they are, that simply isn't how testing works.

I completely reject any blame on NI or Audiobus or anyone else for that matter. Apples iOS7 betas are for Apple to get right. If they bork a late beta there is little NI or anyone else can do to mitigate this. They have to keep their own app usable and in this case it means staying on iOS6.

NI are part of the MFi program. Companies in this program work with Apple to get the best out of their apps. They haven't just started "working with Apple now".
Sonja Roybal
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
What model iPad you got?
I don't get any crashes with my iPad 4 but my mates iPad 2 is constantly crashing.
I'm sticking to ios6 for the time being.
iPad 3/16gb. I keep at least 4 free gb's at all times.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
Right, but through the beta process, they must have noticed that something's not quite right, whether it's their fault or Apple's. Notifying people the day the final version is released seems a touch late.
Do you not believe that if all companies are issuing this warning on the same day then it must be due to Apple NDA..? I do.

Telling people that iOS7 is botched weeks before launch would probably get NI it hot water with Apple. And I guess the same applies to Audio Bus and all the others.
Oscar Schmer
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
That's ridiculous.. The iOS 7 betas have been out for developers for 3 months, and NI just notices now that their stuff doesn't work??
I doubt they just noticed this now. They probably knew for months, especially since they're not the only developer making this claim, but might've been hoping to have a resolution for their users before the launch. Since multiple developers have advised users not to update, there doesn't seem to be any reason to point the finger at NI.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
That's ridiculous.. The iOS 7 betas have been out for developers for 3 months, and NI just notices now that their stuff doesn't work??
Well the same message has come from Audio Bus today.
http://evolver.fm/2013/09/18/audiobu...ding-to-ios-7/


Also, in those 3 months the OS betas will have changed and the app betas changed at a fast rate. This issue with iOS might only have become apparent in the last round of betas. It may have been a matter of weeks in which they have tried to iron out the issues but if the issue is with iOS7 then theres little the app developer can do about it. Also worth noting that app developers in the MFi program will be bound by Apple NDA so there's not much they can say about iOS other than to advice that users don't update.

NI can't mitigate against Apple botching an update and nor can Audio Bus, evidently.
Marlyn Hundl
19.09.2013		Email just received from NI:

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Dear DJ,

iOS 7 is here, but it seems there are serious issues concerning audio. TRAKTOR DJ, along with many other audio apps, is experiencing performance and stability issues on iOS 7. Initial testing has also revealed general audio performance issues that can affect some Native Instruments hardware. If you use TRAKTOR DJ or audio apps, we recommend you don
Alma Bernadotte
20.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
If this were the case, why do they even release the betas to developers?
The statement is bs. dJay and DJPlayer are iOS 7 ready in time (it's even in the news at DJTT). Why shouldn't NI, a bigger company, with more resources, not be able to get the product ready in time?
Joesph Kasian
19.09.2013
Originally Posted by Cook
Any word on the ios rekordbox not working on 7? i only ever use it when im at my mates but still kinda embarrassing if it crashes
I have to ask - why do you DJ in clubs wearing sunglasses?
Irmgard Sandness
19.09.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

I completely reject any blame on NI or Audiobus or anyone else for that matter. Apples iOS7 betas are for Apple to get right.
If this were the case, why do they even release the betas to developers?
Dione Haimes
19.09.2013		Any word on the ios rekordbox not working on 7? i only ever use it when im at my mates but still kinda embarrassing if it crashes
nayit ruiz jaramillo
19.09.2013
Originally Posted by stinky
Not to belittle iOS 7 but most changes are in design rather than functionality.
If this were true why have multiple app developers recommended that users do not update. The issues 'must' be pretty bad and more that just cosmetic.

Originally Posted by stinky
Why can't NI figure this out over months of beta versions? Why do they work with Apple now rather than before the release date??
Again, you seem to assume that NI (and others) have not been testing on iOS7 but, NI will have concentrated most of the testing on a stable and supported OS (iOS6). They don't use all their resources testing on future OS no matter how near release they are, that simply isn't how testing works.

I completely reject any blame on NI or Audiobus or anyone else for that matter. Apples iOS7 betas are for Apple to get right. If they bork a late beta there is little NI or anyone else can do to mitigate this. They have to keep their own app usable and in this case it means staying on iOS6.

NI are part of the MFi program. Companies in this program work with Apple to get the best out of their apps. They haven't just started "working with Apple now".
Alma Bernadotte
19.09.2013		Not to belittle iOS 7 but most changes are in design rather than functionality. Why can't NI figure this out over months of beta versions? Why do they work with Apple now rather than before the release date??
Sonja Roybal
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
What model iPad you got?
I don't get any crashes with my iPad 4 but my mates iPad 2 is constantly crashing.
I'm sticking to ios6 for the time being.
iPad 3/16gb. I keep at least 4 free gb's at all times.
Marlyn Hundl
18.09.2013		Update: Everything seems fine with Traktor DJ on my iPad 3 after updating to iOS 7.
Ashanti Andreacchio
18.09.2013		I've already got iOS7 on my iPhone but I only use it for making calls a little Facebook and alarm clock. Music has damaged my ears and iPhone is the only phone I've had that can wake me up. Music related I never used it. I have a mini Jack to RCA connected to my DDJ SX so I can hook iPhone in case I need backup
nayit ruiz jaramillo
18.09.2013		What model iPad you got?
I don't get any crashes with my iPad 4 but my mates iPad 2 is constantly crashing.
I'm sticking to ios6 for the time being.
Sonja Roybal
18.09.2013		Is it just me, or is iOS really unstable? I have crashes with TDJ and Safari a lot more than I should. IOS 6 btw.
Marlyn Hundl
18.09.2013		I use Traktor DJ just for fun, so I'm not too fussed if it gets screwed up. I'm about to upgrade to iOS 7 to see what happens. I'll report back...
Irmgard Sandness
18.09.2013		That's possible, I guess.

..although I just fired up Traktor DJ on my iOS 7'd iPhone 4S, and it seemed to work fine. So who knows.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
Right, but through the beta process, they must have noticed that something's not quite right, whether it's their fault or Apple's. Notifying people the day the final version is released seems a touch late.
Do you not believe that if all companies are issuing this warning on the same day then it must be due to Apple NDA..? I do.

Telling people that iOS7 is botched weeks before launch would probably get NI it hot water with Apple. And I guess the same applies to Audio Bus and all the others.
Irmgard Sandness
18.09.2013		Right, but through the beta process, they must have noticed that something's not quite right, whether it's their fault or Apple's. Notifying people the day the final version is released seems a touch late.
Oscar Schmer
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
That's ridiculous.. The iOS 7 betas have been out for developers for 3 months, and NI just notices now that their stuff doesn't work??
I doubt they just noticed this now. They probably knew for months, especially since they're not the only developer making this claim, but might've been hoping to have a resolution for their users before the launch. Since multiple developers have advised users not to update, there doesn't seem to be any reason to point the finger at NI.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by avery
That's ridiculous.. The iOS 7 betas have been out for developers for 3 months, and NI just notices now that their stuff doesn't work??
Well the same message has come from Audio Bus today.
http://evolver.fm/2013/09/18/audiobu...ding-to-ios-7/


Also, in those 3 months the OS betas will have changed and the app betas changed at a fast rate. This issue with iOS might only have become apparent in the last round of betas. It may have been a matter of weeks in which they have tried to iron out the issues but if the issue is with iOS7 then theres little the app developer can do about it. Also worth noting that app developers in the MFi program will be bound by Apple NDA so there's not much they can say about iOS other than to advice that users don't update.

NI can't mitigate against Apple botching an update and nor can Audio Bus, evidently.
Irmgard Sandness
18.09.2013		That's ridiculous.. The iOS 7 betas have been out for developers for 3 months, and NI just notices now that their stuff doesn't work??
Marlyn Hundl
18.09.2013		Here is the KB article the email was referring to:

http://www.native-instruments.com/kn...uestions/1723/

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