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| So I have a dillema.. :/ Me and my buddies decided to throw a party in the bush on thanksgiving weekend. We posted the even last week and quickly have been getting people saying they're going. One of the local clubs(we have 2 lol.. ) Has an event the same evening
for cover with a fairly big name artist. Thing is most people in our town would rather rave in the bush then club it up.
I was contacted by the club promoter and he pretty much is asking us to move our event so they can make more of a profit. I havent dj'ed for the bar before and am not associated with them in anyway right now.
Im just curious as to if you guys have any input on the situation. | Tera Baragan
25.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by dripstep
I'm in Canada, and there is no grey area. Crown land can be squatted on for up to 6 months before you can be asked to leave. This only applies to camping/ living. If the police get wind of this party, and there is underage drinking or drug use, they will decend on you with dirt bikes, dogs and vans, all of your gear will be scooped up, and anyone breaking laws will be arrested. They won't make you drive home drunk, they will drive you, but not home.
I would seriously reconsider any alcohol or drug plans for the evening
, and check to see about partying dude. In toronto at the end of the 90s, the rave scene was massive, but secret. Call a number on the evening
, get a location, meet up, get in a bus without windows, end up at an abandoned factory in the middle of who knows where, and party. Nobody knew where the party was, neither did the police
This was back before facebook. Remember though, just because it's private, doesn't mean anything. A parent of someone invited sees the posting and doesn't like it, and all bacon scented hell will rain down.
Careful dude, this is about more than a douchey promoter. And who knows, if he breaks up the party, where is everyone else going to go then? I hear there's a kicking evening
going on at one of your local bars.
A small town in bc is a bit different. Police tend to be a lot more chill over here. There aren't nearly enough police to drive people from the location to a jail cell or anywhere so im pretty safe in that aspect.
Talked to the promoter again and they are looking at our event as an after party from the bar(closes at 2). So hoping this will work out well! | nayit ruiz jaramillo
25.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
Its kind of a grey area over here.
The law is very rarely "a grey area"... This is usually the get-out clause used by people that don't actually know the law or are happy to believe 'myth' and that idiotic word 'apparently'. (btw-Im not aiming this at you AllDay).
I would seriously look into what laws you may break because if the authorities want to shut you down they will and they will find a law that you are in breach of.
The shitty thing is that the bigger promoters in any city usually have good relations with Police and licensing agencies and if they make a complaint it is likely to be acted on. | Dione Haimes
25.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
Its kind of a grey area over here. They cant really shut down the party because everyone is drunk n high and can't force them to drive under the influence.
Im gonna go ahead and just stick with the original date, we seem to have a much bigger crowd and maybe he will realize he booked the wrong artists! haha
See over here they will shut it down, confiscate the gear
, arrest the promoters and probably watch the area for people driving off and stop&test them lol
We actually had a law passed trying to stopping all the illegal raves in the 90s | Tera Baragan
24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by Cook
You will know your local area better than all of us, im just letting you know how it happens over here, if you throw a party and dont own the land/have an events license/piss someone off with loud tunes the cops will confiscate your stuff, nick the promoters and leave the punters in the field
Its kind of a grey area over here. They cant really shut down the party because everyone is drunk n high and can't force them to drive under the influence.
Im gonna go ahead and just stick with the original date, we seem to have a much bigger crowd and maybe he will realize he booked the wrong artists! haha | Tera Baragan
23.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by Cook
Why would you agree to this?
Do you want to play there in the future? Paid gigs at the bar in the Canadian winter would be nice..
What is it worth your while moving the event?
If it wasnt worth my while, with some $ or future prospects i'd tell them to stick it
Nothing has been promised to me but I have a feeling he has noticed us now.
Originally Posted by Patch
But, like Cook said - why would/should you? What's in it for you?
Be careful, though - 'cos a promoter is VERY LIKELY to "inform" the authorities about an outdoors event if it conflicts with their own plans.
I feel that I could potentially get a gig or two there which would be nice because I can't throw any parties in the winter. Most police here would rather let the party go on instead of forcing high/drunk people to drive home.
Originally Posted by Cook
Keep yourself safe, find out what legal duties you have for an outdoor event, because as patch said, they will do ANYTHING for a profit.
Im not 100% on what it is in the UK but, its along the lines of you must have full hire of the land, kept under a certain db and if it is greater than 100 people you will need an events license,
not a clue what it will be over there though
Its on crown land, owned by the Canadian government for public use. Its also been the known party spot outside of town for the last 50 years probably. Its accepted by most police but you guys are getting me somewhat worried about the 5-0. The fb page is private/invite only.
Originally Posted by dripstep
If you posted online, be careful, the cops may already know.
I did, but its private/inv only.
Originally Posted by Polygon
I'd say no, keep the dates. Just because i hate promoters.
But as others said, he may report you (or already have reported you) to the authorities, so make sure you're covered in legal territory.
Its on crown land, in Canada you can have a party with as many people as long as its not for profit(aka: people paying for speakers, lights etc). But they could come up and just make a hassle, I didnt actually believe about this. | Tera Baragan
23.09.2013 | Me and my buddies decided to throw a party in the bush on thanksgiving weekend. We posted the even last week and quickly have been getting people saying they're going. One of the local clubs(we have 2 lol.. ) Has an event the same evening
for cover with a fairly big name artist. Thing is most people in our town would rather rave in the bush then club it up.
I was contacted by the club promoter and he pretty much is asking us to move our event so they can make more of a profit. I havent dj'ed for the bar before and am not associated with them in anyway right now.
Im just curious as to if you guys have any input on the situation. | Tera Baragan
25.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by dripstep
I'm in Canada, and there is no grey area. Crown land can be squatted on for up to 6 months before you can be asked to leave. This only applies to camping/ living. If the police get wind of this party, and there is underage drinking or drug use, they will decend on you with dirt bikes, dogs and vans, all of your gear will be scooped up, and anyone breaking laws will be arrested. They won't make you drive home drunk, they will drive you, but not home.
I would seriously reconsider any alcohol or drug plans for the evening
, and check to see about partying dude. In toronto at the end of the 90s, the rave scene was massive, but secret. Call a number on the evening
, get a location, meet up, get in a bus without windows, end up at an abandoned factory in the middle of who knows where, and party. Nobody knew where the party was, neither did the police
This was back before facebook. Remember though, just because it's private, doesn't mean anything. A parent of someone invited sees the posting and doesn't like it, and all bacon scented hell will rain down.
Careful dude, this is about more than a douchey promoter. And who knows, if he breaks up the party, where is everyone else going to go then? I hear there's a kicking evening
going on at one of your local bars.
A small town in bc is a bit different. Police tend to be a lot more chill over here. There aren't nearly enough police to drive people from the location to a jail cell or anywhere so im pretty safe in that aspect.
Talked to the promoter again and they are looking at our event as an after party from the bar(closes at 2). So hoping this will work out well! | Yong Aptekar
25.09.2013 | I'm in Canada, and there is no grey area. Crown land can be squatted on for up to 6 months before you can be asked to leave. This only applies to camping/ living. If the police get wind of this party, and there is underage drinking or drug use, they will decend on you with dirt bikes, dogs and vans, all of your gear will be scooped up, and anyone breaking laws will be arrested. They won't make you drive home drunk, they will drive you, but not home.
I would seriously reconsider any alcohol or drug plans for the evening
, and check to see about partying dude. In toronto at the end of the 90s, the rave scene was massive, but secret. Call a number on the evening
, get a location, meet up, get in a bus without windows, end up at an abandoned factory in the middle of who knows where, and party. Nobody knew where the party was, neither did the police
This was back before facebook. Remember though, just because it's private, doesn't mean anything. A parent of someone invited sees the posting and doesn't like it, and all bacon scented hell will rain down.
Careful dude, this is about more than a douchey promoter. And who knows, if he breaks up the party, where is everyone else going to go then? I hear there's a kicking evening
going on at one of your local bars. | nayit ruiz jaramillo
25.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
Its kind of a grey area over here.
The law is very rarely "a grey area"... This is usually the get-out clause used by people that don't actually know the law or are happy to believe 'myth' and that idiotic word 'apparently'. (btw-Im not aiming this at you AllDay).
I would seriously look into what laws you may break because if the authorities want to shut you down they will and they will find a law that you are in breach of.
The shitty thing is that the bigger promoters in any city usually have good relations with Police and licensing agencies and if they make a complaint it is likely to be acted on. | Dione Haimes
25.09.2013 | > prove your better at throwing parties
> club is empty
> club fire promoter
> you apply as a DJ/promoter
> win | Hipolito Scionti
25.09.2013 | So that's cool that you're going ahead with the party
So as not to burn your bridges though handle the promoter in as slick and professional way as possible. Be courteous and just say it's you're sorry but its not going to be possible to move it. Come up with a good reason that won't piss him off.
Makes sense to try and keep him onside as much as possible. | Dione Haimes
25.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
Its kind of a grey area over here. They cant really shut down the party because everyone is drunk n high and can't force them to drive under the influence.
Im gonna go ahead and just stick with the original date, we seem to have a much bigger crowd and maybe he will realize he booked the wrong artists! haha
See over here they will shut it down, confiscate the gear
, arrest the promoters and probably watch the area for people driving off and stop&test them lol
We actually had a law passed trying to stopping all the illegal raves in the 90s | Tera Baragan
24.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by Cook
You will know your local area better than all of us, im just letting you know how it happens over here, if you throw a party and dont own the land/have an events license/piss someone off with loud tunes the cops will confiscate your stuff, nick the promoters and leave the punters in the field
Its kind of a grey area over here. They cant really shut down the party because everyone is drunk n high and can't force them to drive under the influence.
Im gonna go ahead and just stick with the original date, we seem to have a much bigger crowd and maybe he will realize he booked the wrong artists! haha | Dione Haimes
24.09.2013 | You will know your local area better than all of us, im just letting you know how it happens over here, if you throw a party and dont own the land/have an events license/piss someone off with loud tunes the cops will confiscate your stuff, nick the promoters and leave the punters in the field | Dannie Dimora
24.09.2013 | I believe that if you move the event, maybe on the moved date there will be sth. else that's really interesting, and you won't have as many people come as they would if you organized the event on the first date. | Rolanda Clodfelder
24.09.2013 |
I was contacted by the club promoter and he pretty much is asking us to move our event so they can make more of a profit.
Sounds like you have some soul searching to do ... perhaps you could move your event for some kinda definitive "incentive"
It is the music industry after all
| Tera Baragan
23.09.2013 |
Originally Posted by Cook
Why would you agree to this?
Do you want to play there in the future? Paid gigs at the bar in the Canadian winter would be nice..
What is it worth your while moving the event?
If it wasnt worth my while, with some $ or future prospects i'd tell them to stick it
Nothing has been promised to me but I have a feeling he has noticed us now.
Originally Posted by Patch
But, like Cook said - why would/should you? What's in it for you?
Be careful, though - 'cos a promoter is VERY LIKELY to "inform" the authorities about an outdoors event if it conflicts with their own plans.
I feel that I could potentially get a gig or two there which would be nice because I can't throw any parties in the winter. Most police here would rather let the party go on instead of forcing high/drunk people to drive home.
Originally Posted by Cook
Keep yourself safe, find out what legal duties you have for an outdoor event, because as patch said, they will do ANYTHING for a profit.
Im not 100% on what it is in the UK but, its along the lines of you must have full hire of the land, kept under a certain db and if it is greater than 100 people you will need an events license,
not a clue what it will be over there though
Its on crown land, owned by the Canadian government for public use. Its also been the known party spot outside of town for the last 50 years probably. Its accepted by most police but you guys are getting me somewhat worried about the 5-0. The fb page is private/invite only.
Originally Posted by dripstep
If you posted online, be careful, the cops may already know.
I did, but its private/inv only.
Originally Posted by Polygon
I'd say no, keep the dates. Just because i hate promoters.
But as others said, he may report you (or already have reported you) to the authorities, so make sure you're covered in legal territory.
Its on crown land, in Canada you can have a party with as many people as long as its not for profit(aka: people paying for speakers, lights etc). But they could come up and just make a hassle, I didnt actually believe about this. | Dannie Dimora
23.09.2013 | I'd say no, keep the dates. Just because i hate promoters.
But as others said, he may report you (or already have reported you) to the authorities, so make sure you're covered in legal territory.
One last thing: nobody is promising you that the promoter won't organize another event on the date of the eventually moved event.
As i said, i hate promoters :P | Yong Aptekar
23.09.2013 | If you posted online, be careful, the cops may already know. | Dione Haimes
23.09.2013 | Keep yourself safe, find out what legal duties you have for an outdoor event, because as patch said, they will do ANYTHING for a profit.
Im not 100% on what it is in the UK but, its along the lines of you must have full hire of the land, kept under a certain db and if it is greater than 100 people you will need an events license,
not a clue what it will be over there though | Brunilda Kora
23.09.2013 | Never forget - promoters are ass holes. They will try their luck with anything.
You have to decide if you want to play him at his own game.
But, like Cook said - why would/should you? What's in it for you?
Be careful, though - 'cos a promoter is VERY LIKELY to "inform" the authorities about an outdoors event if it conflicts with their own plans. | Dione Haimes
23.09.2013 | Why would you agree to this?
Do you want to play there in the future?
What is it worth your while moving the event?
If it wasnt worth my while, with some $ or future prospects i'd tell them to stick it |
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