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using loops too often? Posted on: 17.09.2013 by Amelia Supe Hi guys, Basically, when I've been mixing on my Hercules RMX lately, I've fallen into a habit of looping the track that's being cue'd. I'll have track A playing and to Que track B, I pick which part I want to come in and loop it for 8 bars and beatmatch, and then when i'm ready to bring track B in I take it off loop and bring the channel volume up. It doesn't feel right :/ like i find it real easy and great for learning, but it feels like i'm cheating in a way, if you know what I mean?
Amelia Supe 26.09.2013	Originally Posted by 031999 I recommend bringing a friend (another dj) with you for your first club gig. If you get nervous he can give you some support. When I starting playing in clubs, the resident dj was very kind and would let me play for like 15 mins at a time till I got more comfortable. And I thought I had a real track-list with 100 tracks, but I blew through those in like in hour. I was so nervous I was doing like 30 sec mixes. Well the gig would be at a club evening that a very good friend of mine is trying to sort out, and i would also have my gf and small bunch of good friends to support me as well which is good all depends on whether this does happen though, if it does then i would like to take the opportunity. I just don't want to be 'bigged' up by people and then have other dj's expecting more than what I can deliver. I can do a good mix, just nerves getting to me!
Lannie Kutay 25.09.2013	Originally Posted by ibmxcraig Spot on! Well alot of you are agreeing that it is okay so that's great Im still yet to learn to mix smoothly on vinyl, have 2 x turntables and a mixer in my room, just never get round to using it! But yeah, my mixes are sounding alright guys so I'm heading in the right direction. I've also been offered the opportunity to possibly play in a small club from December onwards. Bit 50/50 on this, i believe it's the fear factor of playing on stage in front of a load of people. Only ever done the odd small house party. Cheers for the comments guys I recommend bringing a friend (another dj) with you for your first club gig. If you get nervous he can give you some support. When I starting playing in clubs, the resident dj was very kind and would let me play for like 15 mins at a time till I got more comfortable. And I thought I had a real track-list with 100 tracks, but I blew through those in like in hour. I was so nervous I was doing like 30 sec mixes.
Amelia Supe 18.09.2013	Originally Posted by jdownesbaird I believe the OP is saying that he loops the intro (using CUE) just to get things beat matched, not that he is playing the loop over and over again through the main mix. He said that when he's ready to transition to the next track he lets the loop go and THEN brings the channel volume fader up. I don't see anything wrong with that. Spot on! Well alot of you are agreeing that it is okay so that's great Im still yet to learn to mix smoothly on vinyl, have 2 x turntables and a mixer in my room, just never get round to using it! But yeah, my mixes are sounding alright guys so I'm heading in the right direction. I've also been offered the opportunity to possibly play in a small club from December onwards. Bit 50/50 on this, i believe it's the fear factor of playing on stage in front of a load of people. Only ever done the odd small house party. Cheers for the comments guys
Isa Erik 18.09.2013	Originally Posted by firebr4nd Nothing wrong with that as long as you're still matching phrases correctly. problem with mixing loops on A+B is that it indeed sounds lifeless...usually there are changes in the sound structure every 16 bars (number of samples on A decreases, on track B increases in perefect sync if you get the phrases right) but when transitioning between loops you don't get that and it sounds a little bit boring, i believe that's what he means. usually FX's help in spicing up the transition
Damion Panyanouvong 18.09.2013	Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj An 8 bar loop sounds long. But, keep doing that until you can make the mix and release before the first repeat of the loop. Master the basics, then add on. What you are doing is a great way to get started. No such thing as cheating in playing music. Maybe if you play a prerecorded mix, but other than that i cant see the problem. Keep on mixin!
Amelia Supe 17.09.2013	Hi guys, Basically, when I've been mixing on my Hercules RMX lately, I've fallen into a habit of looping the track that's being cue'd. I'll have track A playing and to Que track B, I pick which part I want to come in and loop it for 8 bars and beatmatch, and then when i'm ready to bring track B in I take it off loop and bring the channel volume up. It doesn't feel right :/ like i find it real easy and great for learning, but it feels like i'm cheating in a way, if you know what I mean?
Amelia Supe 26.09.2013	Originally Posted by 031999 I recommend bringing a friend (another dj) with you for your first club gig. If you get nervous he can give you some support. When I starting playing in clubs, the resident dj was very kind and would let me play for like 15 mins at a time till I got more comfortable. And I thought I had a real track-list with 100 tracks, but I blew through those in like in hour. I was so nervous I was doing like 30 sec mixes. Well the gig would be at a club evening that a very good friend of mine is trying to sort out, and i would also have my gf and small bunch of good friends to support me as well which is good all depends on whether this does happen though, if it does then i would like to take the opportunity. I just don't want to be 'bigged' up by people and then have other dj's expecting more than what I can deliver. I can do a good mix, just nerves getting to me!
Lannie Kutay 25.09.2013	Originally Posted by ibmxcraig Spot on! Well alot of you are agreeing that it is okay so that's great Im still yet to learn to mix smoothly on vinyl, have 2 x turntables and a mixer in my room, just never get round to using it! But yeah, my mixes are sounding alright guys so I'm heading in the right direction. I've also been offered the opportunity to possibly play in a small club from December onwards. Bit 50/50 on this, i believe it's the fear factor of playing on stage in front of a load of people. Only ever done the odd small house party. Cheers for the comments guys I recommend bringing a friend (another dj) with you for your first club gig. If you get nervous he can give you some support. When I starting playing in clubs, the resident dj was very kind and would let me play for like 15 mins at a time till I got more comfortable. And I thought I had a real track-list with 100 tracks, but I blew through those in like in hour. I was so nervous I was doing like 30 sec mixes.
Amelia Supe 25.09.2013	anybody else get what jdownesbaird means? this is exactly what i've been doing when mixing
Amelia Supe 18.09.2013	Originally Posted by jdownesbaird I believe the OP is saying that he loops the intro (using CUE) just to get things beat matched, not that he is playing the loop over and over again through the main mix. He said that when he's ready to transition to the next track he lets the loop go and THEN brings the channel volume fader up. I don't see anything wrong with that. Spot on! Well alot of you are agreeing that it is okay so that's great Im still yet to learn to mix smoothly on vinyl, have 2 x turntables and a mixer in my room, just never get round to using it! But yeah, my mixes are sounding alright guys so I'm heading in the right direction. I've also been offered the opportunity to possibly play in a small club from December onwards. Bit 50/50 on this, i believe it's the fear factor of playing on stage in front of a load of people. Only ever done the odd small house party. Cheers for the comments guys
Dannie Dimora 18.09.2013	This goes for me, depends on how you mix. I usually use loops when i forget that the track's almost over, and then loop a 4/8bar part and mix in the next one, happens a lot during live mashups. Also it makes for a very good fade-in effect if every 2 bars you half the loop distance, going to 1/8 and 1/16 one beat before the breakdown of the next song. I also use 1/3 or 1/6 loops (approximate, sdj doesn't have them built in) in conjunction with slip mode to make some rhytmic patterns. But as i said, this is only how I use them. If your style is to use loops, well ,that's your style
Delena Katherman 18.09.2013	I believe the OP is saying that he loops the intro (using CUE) just to get things beat matched, not that he is playing the loop over and over again through the main mix. He said that when he's ready to transition to the next track he lets the loop go and THEN brings the channel volume fader up. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Vito Chesnut 18.09.2013	I always add a filter, or effect, or eq kill towards the end of the loop, so that when it reloops, it sounds a bit different every time. That way if you are forced to ride it, it does not get boring sounding.
Dione Haimes 18.09.2013	I do this with tracks with short intro's, loop the intro, beatmatch it, then when its ready, let it go!
Isa Erik 18.09.2013	Originally Posted by firebr4nd Nothing wrong with that as long as you're still matching phrases correctly. problem with mixing loops on A+B is that it indeed sounds lifeless...usually there are changes in the sound structure every 16 bars (number of samples on A decreases, on track B increases in perefect sync if you get the phrases right) but when transitioning between loops you don't get that and it sounds a little bit boring, i believe that's what he means. usually FX's help in spicing up the transition
Damion Panyanouvong 18.09.2013	Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj An 8 bar loop sounds long. But, keep doing that until you can make the mix and release before the first repeat of the loop. Master the basics, then add on. What you are doing is a great way to get started. No such thing as cheating in playing music. Maybe if you play a prerecorded mix, but other than that i cant see the problem. Keep on mixin!
Ulysses Vittetoe 18.09.2013	Nothing wrong with that as long as you're still matching phrases correctly.
Delena Katherman 17.09.2013	OP, it's only "cheating" if you aren't having fun. As long as you are enjoying yourself and it sounds good, fuck it. Don't worry about bar lengths, etc. But, if you feel like you're missing out on something, that's a different story. That means it might be time to switch some shit up. I started on an S4 doing exactly what you're doing. There's always another level to take it to, even with your controller. Eventually I got turntables and a DVS, and I've never had more fun. Honestly, I was probably creating "technically" smoother, more consistent, and tighter mixes with a controller and SYNC, but it was a little soulless compared to what I do now (more science, less art). Neither is better, really. You just need to find what makes you happy.
Tera Baragan 17.09.2013	If I have a song I want perfectly in time I will pre loop it for mixing in. But it kind of gets rid of that feeling of hitting play or letting go of the vinyl thats like " fuckin rightttssss"
Delena Katherman 17.09.2013	Does it sound good?
Marcelina Hanaway 17.09.2013	I don't believe an 8 bar loop is long at all. I started with looping just like that and found everything too lifeless. I moved to CDJs and a mixer and never looked back. Just live your life, man.
Amelia Supe 17.09.2013	i used to have the track i'm Que'in in my headphones on a 16 beat loop but knocked it down to 8 and it works quite well with house music. I just feel like i'm cheating at the moment lol
Layne Koop 17.09.2013	An 8 bar loop sounds long. But, keep doing that until you can make the mix and release before the first repeat of the loop. Master the basics, then add on. What you are doing is a great way to get started.

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