S4 - so many problems !

S4 - so many problems !
Posted on: 22.11.2010 by money monoma
Hey :
I bought the s4 . I'm very frustrated because I must to use Game Booster & ProcessHacker for use my system without issues .
It's not only me , a lot of users (also Mac users ) are having problems with sound & freezing .Our systems are OK , TSP is working perfect in our machines , but this new baby is like a evening mare .
Tech Support is really BAD & slow , they try to "teach" you how to disable things (also wireless ) .
We will never have an official answer from NI . For shure they will fix the problem but in the meantime they are saying : your system is the problem : BULLSHITS !
I only can seat & wait till the next update ...but I can remenber problems with other hardware
Nedra Fresneda
02.01.2011
Originally Posted by MartinK
Interesting reading; are Mac users experiecing glitches too then?

Have a Mac book on order, but have an equally sexy Viaio that I'd be happy to use.
I did, but it was my fault...

opened the mac for some cleaning and 1 ram stick wasn't correctly plugged back in, so i was running with 1gb of ram....
opened again, reinstalled them and now running fine and dandy
Dewey Melchi
02.01.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Gotta agree, it's not necessarily their fault though. So many of those PC's come from the factory messy.
I was supervisor at Frys Electronics, all I'd recommend were Apple computers, peole don't understand how ineffecient Windows computers are. Before the flame war starts, I own both. The reason Mac's are seeming to have less issues with TS4 is because of the lack of extra processes in the background and how efficient the RAM is being used.

Stating the obvious as far as music processing/anything with heavy use of RAM. Mac > PC
Hailey Westen
02.01.2011
Originally Posted by jfd6812
For whatever its worth, it has been a different world using my S4 with my new MBP. Thank you, mbp, thank you.
what MBP did you go for ?


and did you have to do ANY tweeks at all to get the full performance out of the S4.

also, could other MBP users say if they needed to do any tweeks with drivers/settings etc to get the most from the S4,
or do MBP works right off the bat ?

thanks in advance

EDIT. im a windows user and tweeking windows aint a problem for me,
but i dont know my way around MACs (yet)
Karolis Petrauskas
29.12.2010
Originally Posted by Erick
Woah, turning off the wifi helps a million, believe that was my only problem, that and having a clean computer, I had a bday bash after the club and we made like 3 2-hour sets, tore the crap out of the sample decks, and all on my PC not one glitch, cut, crash but the ones I intentionally made XD
I'm glad everything worked out...those wifi drivers cause problems on so many computers. I used to shut them off on my Mac too, the last thing you need in a set is your computer wigging out.
Eloy Snopkowski
27.12.2010
Originally Posted by AfroWhitie
I'm pretty sure now that most problems people experience are due to messy machines -
no its mostly hardware perfection (nothing to stop me using it) but its would be considered bad with other high price products like a car.
my crappy windows laptop run it fine L2UseWIndows !
Leeanna Ayla
26.12.2010
Originally Posted by AfroWhitie
I'm pretty sure now that most problems people experience are due to messy machines
Gotta agree, it's not necessarily their fault though. So many of those PC's come from the factory messy.
Nedra Fresneda
02.01.2011
Originally Posted by MartinK
Interesting reading; are Mac users experiecing glitches too then?

Have a Mac book on order, but have an equally sexy Viaio that I'd be happy to use.
I did, but it was my fault...

opened the mac for some cleaning and 1 ram stick wasn't correctly plugged back in, so i was running with 1gb of ram....
opened again, reinstalled them and now running fine and dandy
Dewey Melchi
02.01.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Gotta agree, it's not necessarily their fault though. So many of those PC's come from the factory messy.
I was supervisor at Frys Electronics, all I'd recommend were Apple computers, peole don't understand how ineffecient Windows computers are. Before the flame war starts, I own both. The reason Mac's are seeming to have less issues with TS4 is because of the lack of extra processes in the background and how efficient the RAM is being used.

Stating the obvious as far as music processing/anything with heavy use of RAM. Mac > PC
Hailey Westen
02.01.2011
Originally Posted by jfd6812
For whatever its worth, it has been a different world using my S4 with my new MBP. Thank you, mbp, thank you.
what MBP did you go for ?


and did you have to do ANY tweeks at all to get the full performance out of the S4.

also, could other MBP users say if they needed to do any tweeks with drivers/settings etc to get the most from the S4,
or do MBP works right off the bat ?

thanks in advance

EDIT. im a windows user and tweeking windows aint a problem for me,
but i dont know my way around MACs (yet)
Onie Sarandos
29.12.2010
For whatever its worth, it has been a different world using my S4 with my new MBP. Thank you, mbp, thank you.
Karolis Petrauskas
29.12.2010
Originally Posted by Erick
Woah, turning off the wifi helps a million, believe that was my only problem, that and having a clean computer, I had a bday bash after the club and we made like 3 2-hour sets, tore the crap out of the sample decks, and all on my PC not one glitch, cut, crash but the ones I intentionally made XD
I'm glad everything worked out...those wifi drivers cause problems on so many computers. I used to shut them off on my Mac too, the last thing you need in a set is your computer wigging out.
Merilyn Sellards
29.12.2010
Woah, turning off the wifi helps a million, believe that was my only problem, that and having a clean computer, I had a bday bash after the club and we made like 3 2-hour sets, tore the crap out of the sample decks, and all on my PC not one glitch, cut, crash but the ones I intentionally made XD
Karolis Petrauskas
28.12.2010
Dude you were so right, the S4 is awesome. I'm so hooked and am having a blast. It sure has helped this week considering most of NYC is still under 3 feet of snow.
Julissa Serrone
28.12.2010
^ dope!!!!
Karolis Petrauskas
28.12.2010
I just wanted to chime in about Win 7. So far I have zero issues running Traktor S4 & Traktor Pro/Scratch Pro.

My specs:
Windows 7
i5 processor 2.26ghz
Dell XPS 16
4 Gigs Ram
500 Gig HD

NOTE: I installed a regular version of Win 7 on my machine. As with most/all commercially purchased windows machines you MUST remove all the crap the hardware manufacter sends. Clean your startup items and follow BASIC Windows tweaks.

Just an FYI I love Macs also and have owned them as well as repair them on a daily basis. I just want to let people know that Mac is not the only machine that traktor will work with 100%. You can do the same with Windows and about an hour of your time. Google "WINDOWS AUDIO TWEAKS" and perform the most popular ones. Also note you can get a nice windows laptop for about 500 - 600$ USD.




ENJOY.
Eloy Snopkowski
27.12.2010
Originally Posted by AfroWhitie
I'm pretty sure now that most problems people experience are due to messy machines -
no its mostly hardware perfection (nothing to stop me using it) but its would be considered bad with other high price products like a car.
my crappy windows laptop run it fine L2UseWIndows !
Leeanna Ayla
26.12.2010
Originally Posted by AfroWhitie
I'm pretty sure now that most problems people experience are due to messy machines
Gotta agree, it's not necessarily their fault though. So many of those PC's come from the factory messy.
Daisy Dotseth
26.12.2010
I'm pretty sure now that most problems people experience are due to messy machines - after finally getting my s4 i plugged it into my comparatively 'low end' dell notebook:

XPpro 2ghz 2gb ram

I have played on it for about 4 hours using 2 decks and samples plus effects and also left it on looping tracks between playing for about 12 hours.

Not a hint of a dropout

Fresh format - no bloatware - no antivirus = win for me so far

p.s. wireless on the whole time and no battery management disabled
Merilyn Sellards
22.12.2010
Actually I have tried it with both my macbook pro c2duo 2.4 ghz 4gb ddr3 and my asus 2.13 gh c2duo 4gb ddr2 and the mac clips/glitches and the pc doesn't but both have crashed kind of dissapointing, I do notice it has crashed while using sample decks or recorder though...
Peggy Gabrielson
21.12.2010
I had a Dell which I had heaps of problems with, now using a Macbook pro with no issues. But I reckon that NI is going to release updates over the next few months that will fix a lot of the issues on PCs. Sad that such a solid product doesn't seem to have been tested enough... oh well.
Ginny Fergson
20.12.2010
Cool, believe I'll persevere with the sony.
Shalon Jaranilla
19.12.2010
So after two gigs with one 6 hours in a row, i seem to be glitch free.

Updated drivers, pulled out the battery, tuned the power settings as well for the usb, disabled all nvida high definition audio, disabled the realtek high audio definition, disabled wifi and bluetooth, run on a clean install windows 7 ultimate edition, Killed unnecessary processes in task. manager

laptop vaio intel core 2 duo 2,2 T 6600 ghz
model vpccw13fx

Still believe NI needs to update their drivers, but for now it's ok. Didn't test recording yet, last time before some last tweaks that gave a real mess audio wise.

I still want a macbook pro, but i'm afraid to jump the boat to soon. All the models are almost a year old, and they probably gonna update their line soon. So

Any changes to my s4 and my lappy, i will update.
Julissa Serrone
19.12.2010
For the guys with the Autogain issues...what do you have your software volume at? Also are you using the limiter. I've played with anything from -2.5db to -8db. I believe if you adjust that first you will find the autogain works pretty good. It's not perfect though
Eloy Snopkowski
19.12.2010
RUN Dpc latency checker(http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml) on your computer too see if its can handle audio procession if its stay in the green your comp is fini if its spkie then you have stuff to disable and work on. NOTHING COMPLICATED ...still having some buzz (repeat and stuck for 1sec) when switching effects but other than this i can run it fine a on crappy laptop
Ginny Fergson
19.12.2010
Interesting reading; are Mac users experiecing glitches too then?

Have a Mac book on order, but have an equally sexy Viaio that I'd be happy to use.
Omar Nila
17.12.2010
Originally Posted by popoff44
Hey! I have the same problem. Auto-gain usually sets the gain so high that it starts clipping. So I have to manually lower the gain level to avoid clipping. I don't know what's causing it, but I assume it's the algorithm in the software that determines the "most appropriate" gain level. If it's really just that then we can hope for a fix in a future update.

You said you just turn all the gains down to fix this. How exactly are you doing that? Is it manual or did you manage to find a way to automate the process?

On a side note, Scratch Live has an option that lets you choose a custom auto-gain level specified in dB. I wish we could have that in traktor s4 software too
i just turn the gain knobs down to like -4.7 or so :P
Leeanna Ayla
17.12.2010
I have no problem with auto gain, but I've got my software main set at -8 I believe.
Marylyn Vine
18.12.2010
Originally Posted by DJMilk3y
my only issue is the auto gain and clipping, but im on a macbook and just have to turn all the gains down and it fixes, guess im lucky when things are put in perspective
Hey! I have the same problem. Auto-gain usually sets the gain so high that it starts clipping. So I have to manually lower the gain level to avoid clipping. I don't know what's causing it, but I assume it's the algorithm in the software that determines the "most appropriate" gain level. If it's really just that then we can hope for a fix in a future update.

You said you just turn all the gains down to fix this. How exactly are you doing that? Is it manual or did you manage to find a way to automate the process?

On a side note, Scratch Live has an option that lets you choose a custom auto-gain level specified in dB. I wish we could have that in traktor s4 software too
Omar Nila
17.12.2010
my only issue is the auto gain and clipping, but im on a macbook and just have to turn all the gains down and it fixes, guess im lucky when things are put in perspective
Leeanna Ayla
17.12.2010
Check the new Windows tuning tips posted at NI

http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...d.php?t=125245
Shalon Jaranilla
17.12.2010
Got my s4 now for some weeks, First it seemed alright with my vaio 2.2 ghz and ultimate 7 clean instal, but then it started the glitches and pops.

So i disabled, wifi and my n vida card, further i updated all my drivers and set all the usb ports to 1oo% power'.

latency at 256 samples.

It's a lot better now but still once in a while a little glitch.

next thing i gonna try is taking the battery out. But before the tweaking that didn't make any difference

Hope NI comes with a driver update.

But yeah that's now a days with buying the first batch, all the brands, now they can update after wards so we are their testers. Happened with all my midi gear
Ashlie Netzel
16.12.2010
Hey all, just droppin in to say I am totally new to digital dj'ing and I got my s4 in the first shipment and I love it. I had to calibrate the jogs once and reboot once but other than that, no problems. The machine is amazing and I'm surprised to hear many complaints. Even though NI is slow as shit as far as customer service, I believe they put out a great product and I'd like to believe that the problem units are just a small percentage. Good luck with it- there are so many options with the s4 and I don't see many people second guessing it over the vci.

-DJO
Onie Sarandos
16.12.2010
A lot of probs w/ mine too. I hope I can get them sorted out. I'm starting to wonder if I just should have kept my vci.
Hailey Westen
16.12.2010
anyone fix these spike issues ???
Mac Fly
22.11.2010
I have had some issues too. Out of all the possible ways to fix CPU spikes I found raising the buffer size helped. But this in fact did not fix all my problems. When I use browse mode I still get massive CPU spikes and audio cracks and pops.
Julissa Serrone
22.11.2010
Man-Tk,

Hey brother I've read some of your posts on the NI community and I know your hot and have been patient, but stick with it man. NI has invested way to much into this product to let it flop and not work on all systems.

Does it work fine with gameboaster and process hacker? I know that's not the right answer, but there's some guys who can't get it to work, so that's a good thing you can play on yours.

NI is not going to make a statement until they have a solution. Look at Apple and the Iphone 4. It came out had tons of issues then they had a press conference much later.

I do wonder how much of this came about during beta testing and why the still released the S4 if it wasn't ready. I believe either they felt the need to meet their 1 November date, or they wanted to get a head start on Sales prior to the holidays and prior to Winter NAMM. Which means it was obviously all profit based.

Hopefully they are working around the clock and fix this asap. If it's not fixed in a month or so everyone who was unsure about getting one, will just wait another month or so and see what is available after NAMM. So they need to get hot.

Stay patient man.

22.11.2010
Hello man-tk...

can u explain what are the issues with your S4? kinda surprised to hear all this.... got my S4 couple days ago and ive been using it without any glitches far... please tell us in detail whats your problem with the S4 hopefully can find you a solution...

chubbz

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