Traktor S4 vs TP2, Latency, and CPU usage?

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Traktor S4 vs TP2, Latency, and CPU usage?
Posted on: 26.05.2011 by Halley Wurzer
Hey everyone,

I know this subject comes up a lot but I still have some questions. What is an acceptable latency for my S4? How much does latency change affect CPU usage? The only way I see how to change it is the slider in audio setup. See attached pic for my current settings on my first generation macbook air with Traktor S4 (I believe the default value was one increment less).
This leads me to my next question, I have both S4 and TP2 installed but TP2 seems to be quite a bit more CPU hungry and does't feel as stable as S4 (it heats up my computer faster and gets laggy). Is there anything I can do to change this or should I just stick with S4.

Thanks in advance for advice, its much appreciated!
Sam
Nedra Fresneda
27.05.2011
Originally Posted by Yep.
I had absolutely no clue that there were such things as collection backup files until I upgraded to the S4. Had I known that there were backup files earlier, it would have made my life a lot easier, having shifted my collection around, changing hard drives and having previous collections save to the wrong location, the list goes on.
We all learn the hard way

I had to restore and reanalize the whole deal after not locking the BPMs
Gloria Lemmel
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by DJ SB
Thanks, Yep, I have had it going for a while and plan to leave it overevening . Appreciate it!
ps: If it only gets partially done, next time I start traktor and analyze collection, it won't re-analyze the already completed tracks correct? It will only do the tracks that haven't been analyzed yet?
You'll be able to tell which ones are analyzed and which ones arent. The analyzed will have a BPM and the non analyzed won't. I also wouldn't recommend quitting Traktor while analyzing tracks. I force quit Traktor Pro about a year ago while it was analyzing and somehow managed to corrupt my entire collection. I had to delete it all, reimport roughly 2k songs from iTunes and reanalyze them all. It took about 15 hours. No Fun.
Nedra Fresneda
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by DJ SB
I do wish there was a fast way to analyze all my tracks at once. That seems to be the most CPU intensive process so it would be nice to have them all done.
You should always have your tracks analized before a gig to avoid excess CPU usage and correct bad BPM readings.

To preserve your gridded tracks if you havent locked them:
  • Click on Track Collection
  • Select all your tracks
  • Right click on the list
  • Enable BPM Lock


After you did that:
  • Right click on Track Collection
  • Analyze (Async)


Leave it overevening if you have a large collection
Halley Wurzer
26.05.2011
Hey everyone,

I know this subject comes up a lot but I still have some questions. What is an acceptable latency for my S4? How much does latency change affect CPU usage? The only way I see how to change it is the slider in audio setup. See attached pic for my current settings on my first generation macbook air with Traktor S4 (I believe the default value was one increment less).
This leads me to my next question, I have both S4 and TP2 installed but TP2 seems to be quite a bit more CPU hungry and does't feel as stable as S4 (it heats up my computer faster and gets laggy). Is there anything I can do to change this or should I just stick with S4.

Thanks in advance for advice, its much appreciated!
Sam
Halley Wurzer
27.05.2011
Alright the whole library is analyzed! When I am browsing in track collection everything shows up as analyzed with the proper bpm. When I browse one of my iTunes playlists however; the bpm is either not displayed or is incorrect, and when I have the "analyzed" column visable, it says "no" for all of the tracks. This is a problem for me because I use iTunes playlists to sort, browse, and select tracks and I need the analyzed, or correct bpm to be displayed there.
Janella Schlappich
27.05.2011
i haven't noticed massive differencies in cpu usage between s4 and tp2.
honestly the real jump i've noticed was from tp1 and tps4... just a HUGE increase of load for the cpu.
but nothing that would affect my latency so much...
Nedra Fresneda
27.05.2011
Originally Posted by Yep.
I had absolutely no clue that there were such things as collection backup files until I upgraded to the S4. Had I known that there were backup files earlier, it would have made my life a lot easier, having shifted my collection around, changing hard drives and having previous collections save to the wrong location, the list goes on.
We all learn the hard way

I had to restore and reanalize the whole deal after not locking the BPMs
Gloria Lemmel
27.05.2011
I had absolutely no clue that there were such things as collection backup files until I upgraded to the S4. Had I known that there were backup files earlier, it would have made my life a lot easier, having shifted my collection around, changing hard drives and having previous collections save to the wrong location, the list goes on.
Nedra Fresneda
27.05.2011
If you do quit, don't force it.

Upon opening again right click on Track Collection and Check Consistency, then press analize in the report window, otherwise it will reanalize the whole thing.

Yep, didn't you try loading a collection backup file? or it crashed when you were importing for the first time?
Gloria Lemmel
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by DJ SB
Thanks, Yep, I have had it going for a while and plan to leave it overevening . Appreciate it!
ps: If it only gets partially done, next time I start traktor and analyze collection, it won't re-analyze the already completed tracks correct? It will only do the tracks that haven't been analyzed yet?
You'll be able to tell which ones are analyzed and which ones arent. The analyzed will have a BPM and the non analyzed won't. I also wouldn't recommend quitting Traktor while analyzing tracks. I force quit Traktor Pro about a year ago while it was analyzing and somehow managed to corrupt my entire collection. I had to delete it all, reimport roughly 2k songs from iTunes and reanalyze them all. It took about 15 hours. No Fun.
Halley Wurzer
26.05.2011
Thanks, Yep, I have had it going for a while and plan to leave it overevening . Appreciate it!
ps: If it only gets partially done, next time I start traktor and analyze collection, it won't re-analyze the already completed tracks correct? It will only do the tracks that haven't been analyzed yet?
Nedra Fresneda
26.05.2011
Originally Posted by DJ SB
I do wish there was a fast way to analyze all my tracks at once. That seems to be the most CPU intensive process so it would be nice to have them all done.
You should always have your tracks analized before a gig to avoid excess CPU usage and correct bad BPM readings.

To preserve your gridded tracks if you havent locked them:
  • Click on Track Collection
  • Select all your tracks
  • Right click on the list
  • Enable BPM Lock


After you did that:
  • Right click on Track Collection
  • Analyze (Async)


Leave it overevening if you have a large collection
Halley Wurzer
26.05.2011
I do wish there was a fast way to analyze all my tracks at once. That seems to be the most CPU intensive process so it would be nice to have them all done.
Halley Wurzer
26.05.2011
I'm playing on it now and doing everything I can to work it hard so we'll see. The TP2 waveforms take some getting used to, I believe I like the spectrum waveform the best.
Nedra Fresneda
26.05.2011
Let's wait and see your performance after the update then
Halley Wurzer
26.05.2011
I appreciate the response! My air can definitely "breath" fine; it is on a stand that doesn't prevent any airflow. I am updating to 2.0.2 now, we'll see how it is! Thanks! One thing to note is I can run quite an intensive setup like you described without the CPU meter skyrocketing but a hot club environment lags it up very fast.
Nedra Fresneda
26.05.2011
Your latency is in the "sweet" range so you shouldn't worry about it too much.

T2 is more CPU intensive due to the new higher res waveforms but 2.0.2 reduces this (did you update?)

I can run min latency (7.3ms) on a late 09 13"mpb with 2 decks (keylock on), 8 samples playing and 6 chained fx on (stress test) and it does go a bit into the red when i hotcue or scratch hardly but, no audio glitches. increasing the latency to (10.2ms) gives a CPU meter peaking at no more than 60%, both with WIFI on. BTW, I'm using 2.0.2, had 14ms turning WIFI off with TPS4.

If your Air gets hot try raising it a bit to ensure correct airflow, perfect solution would be a stand (and clean the cooler if you never did ).

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