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Track Selection Posted on: 19.12.2011 by Jeri Shufflebarger I have been experimenting with DJ'ing since Dec of 2010. I have a really successful mix on SoundCloud.com/djquant. I am working on a new mix, and as always, I have a difficult time really finding the perfect tracks to mix. I have search for threads regarding this topic (along with the web) and really haven't found the answers I am looking for. If some people could check me out on soundcloud and give my mixes a listen and provide some feedback on them to tell me how I am doing in general. I would appreciate it. Aside from that if some people can chime in on how they select their tracks and how I can do a better job on finding tracks for my mixes I would greatly appreciate it! This is one area I really struggle in and advice is much needed! Thanks!
Jeri Shufflebarger 21.12.2011	Originally Posted by U-31 Back when we all started to first try our hand at this game, we were all , yeah lets be honest here shall we, that clueless twat. I had a bit of an advantage over a lot of folk because back then i was hanging out with some serious talent, bombarded with sensational music in warehouses beaches quarries and fields at evening , then back to the dj's houses when that was over to carry on the party, crate digging there in to tunes id never ever be exposed to otherwise. And yes, when i first started besides the god awful trainwrecks there was the unbelievably shite tune selection that were never ever gonna make a coherent set. Your ear develops over time, unless you're incredibly gifted or nicking set lists from other dj's to spin yourself. There is no way to bypass this fact, not even the high and mighty camelot wheel a lot of you swear by. If your bored at any point, flick through my stuff on mixcloud at some point, ill promise you one thing, according To the Camelot system, most of my stuff shouldnt be in the same room together, let alone work. Train and trust your ears. I personally use the Camelot system and Rapid Evolution to find the keys of anything that isn't already known. Mixed in key has some better features, but, isn't 100% accurate. And, there have been some song I have mixed that according to Camelot shouldn't work and they worked better than anything else I tried. So I use it as a guide, but I do not put 100% faith in it.
Jeri Shufflebarger 21.12.2011	Originally Posted by rdubs23 I was making a half-joke, as every once in awhile on soundcloud I'll get a track sent to me saying: "So-and-so shared a track with you and 5969504 other people!" This is entirely the wrong way to go about it, however like you said, groups on soundcloud and dropboxes are a fantastic resource. FWIW, I really liked your mix, but I am generally opposed to any mixes under half an hour, would really like to see what you can do in half an hour, an hour, or even longer. Well, you just taught me something I hadn't previously known about SoundCloud. Using a contact list. Since I only use the free account, I can only have one list of 20 people. So that doesn't work for me. So, I had to do it the hard way. So thanks for indirectly helping me learn that.
Cindie Brodskaya 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by djquant Thanks for the support! i do a lot of promoting. I put it out there and send it to tons of people. I only sent that mix out to about 200 peoples drop boxes though. The rest of it just happened on its own. I did post it in dj community s like this. Promoted on facebook. Gave copies to friends and fans. Etc. So all I can say is I put in a lot of grunt work getting the mix out there. And, yes it has worked. Nobody will ever listen to you if they have never heard of you. So you have to show them who you are. Especially on soundcloud. How is anyone going to find out about you if you dont post in groups, and drop boxes? I dont care how good a DJ you are. If you dont promote yourself you will never get heard. Period. I was making a half-joke, as every once in awhile on soundcloud I'll get a track sent to me saying: "So-and-so shared a track with you and 5969504 other people!" This is entirely the wrong way to go about it, however like you said, groups on soundcloud and dropboxes are a fantastic resource. FWIW, I really liked your mix, but I am generally opposed to any mixes under half an hour, would really like to see what you can do in half an hour, an hour, or even longer.
Marcela Schildmeyer 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by djquant I would start by posting in a group you are familiar with and people are familiar with you. Post in several groups if you have a premium account. Otherwise find people in groups you are already in (that are groups for your genre you are mixing) and click on each person one by one and click the "share track" button by their name. This. I did not know about groups. My life has been devoid until now, thanks so much. I just realised groups is a great way to get in touch with the genres and other people who may actually listen. Both soundcloud and mixcloud have groups and I'm sure it's a direction I have been missing. Thanks again DJQuant!
Jeri Shufflebarger 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by DanMC Great! What do you mean by peoples' drop boxes, which people did you send it to? I would start by posting in a group you are familiar with and people are familiar with you. Post in several groups if you have a premium account. Otherwise find people in groups you are already in (that are groups for your genre you are mixing) and click on each person one by one and click the "share track" button by their name. You can't spam massive amounts of people all at once on soundcloud. So you have to do it one at a time. Which is hard work depending on how many people you want to share it with. You just have to get to know the features on soundcloud and how to use them and then put in work. I definitely did NOT share this track with 6300 people individually. I posted in a group (only one because I have the free account) and then shared it with a few hundred others. And, the rest just happened. I am not sure if it is just a good mix or people just keep listening to it because it has so many plays. But, its getting around 100 plays a week now. I was averaging around 1000 plays a month for a while. It took about a month to start really getting traffic on it though. Promote yourself and be friendly. Follow people and hope they follow you and listen to your work. Aside from that, gaining fans from playing in public is another way you can promote yourself. I am doing all this out of my bedroom right now.
Jeri Shufflebarger 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by rdubs23 Send it to every single person on Soundcloud, looks like it worked for him Thanks for the support! i do a lot of promoting. I put it out there and send it to tons of people. I only sent that mix out to about 200 peoples drop boxes though. The rest of it just happened on its own. I did post it in dj community s like this. Promoted on facebook. Gave copies to friends and fans. Etc. So all I can say is I put in a lot of grunt work getting the mix out there. And, yes it has worked. Nobody will ever listen to you if they have never heard of you. So you have to show them who you are. Especially on soundcloud. How is anyone going to find out about you if you dont post in groups, and drop boxes? I dont care how good a DJ you are. If you dont promote yourself you will never get heard. Period.
Cindie Brodskaya 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by DanMC Hey dude. Yeah your mix is a really good (actually got some awesome ideas from it). In terms of being stuck the only suggestion I can have is listen to more music! You'll eventually find something and get that 'yes' factor that you know it will work and that you can make it work. I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up just to get info... but. How did you go about to promote your 6k listener mix? I personally have a radio show where I produce and hour long mix every week from a different genre, but would like more listeners/interaction, do you have any suggestion for me and other people looking to promote their mixes in the same way? Thanks for your help, Let us know how your mix goes, I'll be looking out for it. Cheers, Dan M.C. Send it to every single person on Soundcloud, looks like it worked for him
Nella Libin 21.12.2011	Exactly, its a tool and a guide, but them weird sticky out things on the side of yer head and the grey jelly in between them.. learn to use and trust them
Jeri Shufflebarger 21.12.2011	Originally Posted by U-31 Back when we all started to first try our hand at this game, we were all , yeah lets be honest here shall we, that clueless twat. I had a bit of an advantage over a lot of folk because back then i was hanging out with some serious talent, bombarded with sensational music in warehouses beaches quarries and fields at evening , then back to the dj's houses when that was over to carry on the party, crate digging there in to tunes id never ever be exposed to otherwise. And yes, when i first started besides the god awful trainwrecks there was the unbelievably shite tune selection that were never ever gonna make a coherent set. Your ear develops over time, unless you're incredibly gifted or nicking set lists from other dj's to spin yourself. There is no way to bypass this fact, not even the high and mighty camelot wheel a lot of you swear by. If your bored at any point, flick through my stuff on mixcloud at some point, ill promise you one thing, according To the Camelot system, most of my stuff shouldnt be in the same room together, let alone work. Train and trust your ears. I personally use the Camelot system and Rapid Evolution to find the keys of anything that isn't already known. Mixed in key has some better features, but, isn't 100% accurate. And, there have been some song I have mixed that according to Camelot shouldn't work and they worked better than anything else I tried. So I use it as a guide, but I do not put 100% faith in it.
Jeri Shufflebarger 21.12.2011	Originally Posted by rdubs23 I was making a half-joke, as every once in awhile on soundcloud I'll get a track sent to me saying: "So-and-so shared a track with you and 5969504 other people!" This is entirely the wrong way to go about it, however like you said, groups on soundcloud and dropboxes are a fantastic resource. FWIW, I really liked your mix, but I am generally opposed to any mixes under half an hour, would really like to see what you can do in half an hour, an hour, or even longer. Well, you just taught me something I hadn't previously known about SoundCloud. Using a contact list. Since I only use the free account, I can only have one list of 20 people. So that doesn't work for me. So, I had to do it the hard way. So thanks for indirectly helping me learn that.
Laquita Shorty 21.12.2011	Hmmm, What I do is search through everything (within reason) even in genres I don't usually look at, and grab a bit of everything, then some how blend it into one seemless mix, ur mix on soundcloud seems quite generic for electro (not that its a bad thing, I wish i could get 600 plays) . . . However when I put tunes together I believe about how they blend to create a new sound as opposed to sounding like two tunes running together in sync, I try to merge them so it sounds like a new phrase of the tune. Hope that makes sense.
Nella Libin 21.12.2011	Back when we all started to first try our hand at this game, we were all , yeah lets be honest here shall we, that clueless twat. I had a bit of an advantage over a lot of folk because back then i was hanging out with some serious talent, bombarded with sensational music in warehouses beaches quarries and fields at evening , then back to the dj's houses when that was over to carry on the party, crate digging there in to tunes id never ever be exposed to otherwise. And yes, when i first started besides the god awful trainwrecks there was the unbelievably shite tune selection that were never ever gonna make a coherent set. Your ear develops over time, unless you're incredibly gifted or nicking set lists from other dj's to spin yourself. There is no way to bypass this fact, not even the high and mighty camelot wheel a lot of you swear by. If your bored at any point, flick through my stuff on mixcloud at some point, ill promise you one thing, according To the Camelot system, most of my stuff shouldnt be in the same room together, let alone work. Train and trust your ears.
Cindie Brodskaya 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by djquant Thanks for the support! i do a lot of promoting. I put it out there and send it to tons of people. I only sent that mix out to about 200 peoples drop boxes though. The rest of it just happened on its own. I did post it in dj community s like this. Promoted on facebook. Gave copies to friends and fans. Etc. So all I can say is I put in a lot of grunt work getting the mix out there. And, yes it has worked. Nobody will ever listen to you if they have never heard of you. So you have to show them who you are. Especially on soundcloud. How is anyone going to find out about you if you dont post in groups, and drop boxes? I dont care how good a DJ you are. If you dont promote yourself you will never get heard. Period. I was making a half-joke, as every once in awhile on soundcloud I'll get a track sent to me saying: "So-and-so shared a track with you and 5969504 other people!" This is entirely the wrong way to go about it, however like you said, groups on soundcloud and dropboxes are a fantastic resource. FWIW, I really liked your mix, but I am generally opposed to any mixes under half an hour, would really like to see what you can do in half an hour, an hour, or even longer.
Marcela Schildmeyer 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by djquant I would start by posting in a group you are familiar with and people are familiar with you. Post in several groups if you have a premium account. Otherwise find people in groups you are already in (that are groups for your genre you are mixing) and click on each person one by one and click the "share track" button by their name. This. I did not know about groups. My life has been devoid until now, thanks so much. I just realised groups is a great way to get in touch with the genres and other people who may actually listen. Both soundcloud and mixcloud have groups and I'm sure it's a direction I have been missing. Thanks again DJQuant!
Jeri Shufflebarger 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by DanMC Great! What do you mean by peoples' drop boxes, which people did you send it to? I would start by posting in a group you are familiar with and people are familiar with you. Post in several groups if you have a premium account. Otherwise find people in groups you are already in (that are groups for your genre you are mixing) and click on each person one by one and click the "share track" button by their name. You can't spam massive amounts of people all at once on soundcloud. So you have to do it one at a time. Which is hard work depending on how many people you want to share it with. You just have to get to know the features on soundcloud and how to use them and then put in work. I definitely did NOT share this track with 6300 people individually. I posted in a group (only one because I have the free account) and then shared it with a few hundred others. And, the rest just happened. I am not sure if it is just a good mix or people just keep listening to it because it has so many plays. But, its getting around 100 plays a week now. I was averaging around 1000 plays a month for a while. It took about a month to start really getting traffic on it though. Promote yourself and be friendly. Follow people and hope they follow you and listen to your work. Aside from that, gaining fans from playing in public is another way you can promote yourself. I am doing all this out of my bedroom right now.
Marcela Schildmeyer 20.12.2011	Great! What do you mean by peoples' drop boxes, which people did you send it to?
Jeri Shufflebarger 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by rdubs23 Send it to every single person on Soundcloud, looks like it worked for him Thanks for the support! i do a lot of promoting. I put it out there and send it to tons of people. I only sent that mix out to about 200 peoples drop boxes though. The rest of it just happened on its own. I did post it in dj community s like this. Promoted on facebook. Gave copies to friends and fans. Etc. So all I can say is I put in a lot of grunt work getting the mix out there. And, yes it has worked. Nobody will ever listen to you if they have never heard of you. So you have to show them who you are. Especially on soundcloud. How is anyone going to find out about you if you dont post in groups, and drop boxes? I dont care how good a DJ you are. If you dont promote yourself you will never get heard. Period.
Jeri Shufflebarger 20.12.2011	The whole purpose of this thread was to get advice on picking your tracks. I.e. I knew that already and he wasn't actually giving any real advice. He was just reiterating what I was originally saying. So, no there isn't any real value in his/her comment. Thanks.
Cindie Brodskaya 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by DanMC Hey dude. Yeah your mix is a really good (actually got some awesome ideas from it). In terms of being stuck the only suggestion I can have is listen to more music! You'll eventually find something and get that 'yes' factor that you know it will work and that you can make it work. I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up just to get info... but. How did you go about to promote your 6k listener mix? I personally have a radio show where I produce and hour long mix every week from a different genre, but would like more listeners/interaction, do you have any suggestion for me and other people looking to promote their mixes in the same way? Thanks for your help, Let us know how your mix goes, I'll be looking out for it. Cheers, Dan M.C. Send it to every single person on Soundcloud, looks like it worked for him
Marcela Schildmeyer 20.12.2011	Hey dude. Yeah your mix is a really good (actually got some awesome ideas from it). In terms of being stuck the only suggestion I can have is listen to more music! You'll eventually find something and get that 'yes' factor that you know it will work and that you can make it work. I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up just to get info... but. How did you go about to promote your 6k listener mix? I personally have a radio show where I produce and hour long mix every week from a different genre, but would like more listeners/interaction, do you have any suggestion for me and other people looking to promote their mixes in the same way? Thanks for your help, Let us know how your mix goes, I'll be looking out for it. Cheers, Dan M.C.
Kasi Marget 20.12.2011	When outside home and got no social obligations (like a conversation ), I just have my TMA-1's stuck on my ears and I listen to my collection in random mode. Sometimes the iPod choses an "old" track I didn't listen to for a while, and ideas of mixing just pop up in my head. iPhone > notes > I write it down asap. Then, when i get home, let's check if that was a good idea or not. When you are making choices because you are forced to (i.e. you WANT to do a tracklist right now) it ends up with bad picks, and this leads to a bad mix. This should be natural, you won't get any good result facing your iTunes library of 10000 tracks, browsing desperatly. (i.e. Lazy Rich and Mord Fustang are pretty similar) Lawl. Fustang does super melodic tracks, Lazy Rich is still looking for his style imo, and he's less groovy and way more agressive than Fustang will ever be. Don't compare 2 artists according to the "Better wipe that up" synth
Kati Khait 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by U-31 innit, any twat can mix 2 tunes or more together, the REAL craft is in the tracklist selection and how you craft them in to a working set. Originally Posted by djquant You are just stating the obvious. There is no value in your comment. I know I'm a beginner but I believe that U-31's comment has a lot of value. Think SHM's concert from Friday. Tracklist got a TON of people dancing, excited, tweeting about it, etc. They may do the whole premixed thing but that tracklist (as far as the opinion of the general public) was a banger.
Jeri Shufflebarger 20.12.2011	You are just stating the obvious. There is no value in your comment.
Nella Libin 19.12.2011	innit, any twat can mix 2 tunes or more together, the REAL craft is in the tracklist selection and how you craft them in to a working set.
Leeanna Ayla 19.12.2011	6000 plays, but only 43 comments and 87 followers seems a little odd. Regardless it's called digging and doing it well is what sets the real DJ's apart from the posers. It's not going to just fall into place in one week. What have you been doing the 8 months since you posted that first mix?
Jeri Shufflebarger 19.12.2011	Thanks for the help
Kesha Pietrak 19.12.2011	Originally Posted by djquant which is where? the mixes and production thread
Latoria Kavulich 19.12.2011	wish i could get 6k plays for every 10 minutes. well done
Jeri Shufflebarger 19.12.2011	Originally Posted by Jester.NZ moved to appropriate section. which is where?
Jeri Shufflebarger 19.12.2011	Thanks Bl4ck3n3d
Latoria Kavulich 19.12.2011	moved to appropriate section.
Gerard Cowin 19.12.2011	Freestyle some mixes first, gather the songs you thought went well together and try to develop a theme or themes throughout the final mix with the group of songs you thought went well together and develop the mix around that. Think in terms of bass, rhythm and groove, build tension and try to tell a story through your sound.
Kesha Pietrak 19.12.2011	Originally Posted by djquant Yeah, I have been listening for over a week to find more tracks for my new mix, stbanas925. I have listened to a TON of tracks and I feel like my new mix is stuck. well maybe thats your problem, youre listening to a TON of tracks. Remember its always good to narrow it down to a playlist of songs thatll be just more than enough to fit the time you wanna do (ex: assuming you play 15 tracks in 30 minutes get a playlist with 60-70 songs)
Kesha Pietrak 19.12.2011	As said before know your music and if youre having trouble picking (used to happen to me and Id end up with 20-30 minutes mixes always because of it) then Id recommend trying mixed in key or rapid evolution, I can mix in key by ear and I know what soudns right but using software to tell me what the key is really narrows down the options you have to choose from which really helps
Jeri Shufflebarger 19.12.2011	Yeah, I have been listening for over a week to find more tracks for my new mix, stbanas925. I have listened to a TON of tracks and I feel like my new mix is stuck.
Jeri Shufflebarger 19.12.2011	Thanks losxc451!
Jenise Kryszak 19.12.2011	What I do is listen to a tonnnnnnnnnn of music throughout the day (while driving, at the gym, free time, etc.) and eventually it all comes together. It's just a matter of knowing your music. After a while you recognize the style of the producer and can match it up with others that have the same style (i.e. Lazy Rich and Mord Fustang are pretty similar). Or if you hear a song with fat and dirty bass you might be able to match it up with a Dada Life song or something. I like to play EDM. Hip-hop is pretty simple to mix on the fly (for me). Other people have different methods though this is just what works for me so don't take my word for it...
Jeri Shufflebarger 19.12.2011	Haha. No man. I am stuck on my latest mix. I can't get past my first four tracks and I am struggling with finding other tunes to complete an hour set. While I may have 6k plays on my first mix, I haven't really gotten a lot of feedback on how well I am doing. So, I am concerned about how well I am doing and why I am am having such a hard time completing my new mix. This really is my main concern. But, you're right. I do have a pretty good response on my last mix. But, I can't seem to really get any actual feedback from actual DJ's. So, that makes me feel like I may not be doing something right.
Kesha Pietrak 19.12.2011	if you have 6000 plays on soundcloud Im assuming youre doing something right...just checked it out and I believe youre good
Gerard Cowin 19.12.2011	Seriously? You have 6000 plays and your asking us for "feedback" on your track selection. I may be wrong here, but it seems like your just "plugging" your mix to gain more listens.

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