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Question about making the "perfect" mix
Posted on: 31.12.2011 by Kati Khait
So I'm making a little longer mix than I'm used to and doing more dj'ing techniques.

How can I make the mix perfect without the insanely high levels of frustration? In other words I don't want to have just made the entire mix perfect then on the last song, mess up the transition or do something I hadn't intended to do then have to start from scratch.

Or this all part of being a dj? Being able to improvise and do things correctly on the fly.
Palma Hanslip
02.01.2012
Originally Posted by Bl4ck3n3D
Liessss
Back this up.
Temeka Beaufort
02.01.2012
Originally Posted by rcs1113
In other words I don't want to have just made the entire mix perfect then on the last song, mess up the transition or do something I hadn't intended to do then have to start from scratch.

if it's not live:

always record it while you mix, so if something goes wrong with the transition, remake the transition only and fix at post-production with acid or some multi-track editing soft like that.

If it's live:
hope that no one cares.
Kati Khait
01.01.2012
Originally Posted by mbthegreat
You've got a few options,

1. Get it right first time
2. Do the mix several times until you get it right

Both of which obviously require you to be capable of doing the whole set without messing up.

Or:

3. Use sync
4. Splice together several recordings

Or:

5. Do it in ableton

3,4,5 may or may not be considered cheating. Obviously you want your mix to be perfect. If you are intending to use this mix to get gigs make sure you can actually play a decent set. No point in having a fantastic demo and then trainwrecking your way through the evening .
I just make mixes for my friends/schoolmates/people in my city because I've been trying to introduce and spread electro house/progressive house/dubstep to people. I try to make a mix every month or so to show everyone new tracks that I like or what have you so I just wanted the transitions to be really professional.

What do you mean by splice the mix in several recordings? I thought about that but after I did like 2 songs I listened to it and it sounded like the audio quality was sinking since the eq is all messed up. Also wouldn't I have to start recording the mix from the start every time I add a new song? I'm using traktor pro 2 for reference.
Originally Posted by Nicky H
It's supposed to be fun

I believe
Hahaha I know, I have fun doing it but if I keep messing up a transition and have to keep practicing it over and over it just gets frustrating because I can't enjoy the music since I would only be working with roughly 60 seconds of music.
Joie Cantillon
31.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
Agreed, and that's the problem with everyone these days, there isn't enough of a learning curve so everyone believes they should be able to get everything to sound perfect, I can't speak for anyone else, but my ear has to be trained to hear minute differences in volume and whatnot....for one thing at least

but there have been many many mixes that were perfect at that moment (see sasha circa 1999, the guy could (can? I haven't seen him live in over 10 years) read a crowd so well.)
Joie Cantillon
31.12.2011
Originally Posted by keithace
i beg to differ...Sasha's Global Underground San Francisco...both CDs...

I tend to believe of DJ-ing like golf...there is never a perfect game in golf...it's you versus the course..and the course wins every time...
Agreed x50000 though the second disc is superior to my mind, I remember playing it for some of my hardcore junglist buddies back when I first got a hold of it, they were acting all disinterested, but then the mota started going round and everyone of them were impressed, truly the greatest moment in prog trance
Randal Biza
31.12.2011		I found this to be useful general advice.

Want to make more music? Say hello to your enemy: Perfection

http://www.lostinmusik.net/?p=1240

Gerard Cowin
30.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
Liessss
Margie Pavell
30.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
i beg to differ...Sasha's Global Underground San Francisco...both CDs...

I tend to believe of DJ-ing like golf...there is never a perfect game in golf...it's you versus the course..and the course wins every time...
Janyce Henningson
30.12.2011
Originally Posted by rcs1113
How can I make the mix perfect without the insanely high levels of frustration?
It's supposed to be fun

I believe
Kati Khait
31.12.2011		So I'm making a little longer mix than I'm used to and doing more dj'ing techniques.

How can I make the mix perfect without the insanely high levels of frustration? In other words I don't want to have just made the entire mix perfect then on the last song, mess up the transition or do something I hadn't intended to do then have to start from scratch.

Or this all part of being a dj? Being able to improvise and do things correctly on the fly.
Palma Hanslip
02.01.2012
Originally Posted by Bl4ck3n3D
Liessss
Back this up.
Temeka Beaufort
02.01.2012
Originally Posted by rcs1113
In other words I don't want to have just made the entire mix perfect then on the last song, mess up the transition or do something I hadn't intended to do then have to start from scratch.

if it's not live:

always record it while you mix, so if something goes wrong with the transition, remake the transition only and fix at post-production with acid or some multi-track editing soft like that.

If it's live:
hope that no one cares.
Cami Loretdemola
01.01.2012		Easiest way of splicing is just stopping when you mess up, leave eq, pitch and gain etc as it was, restart the track, redo the mix and then use audacity or something similar to switch between the two parts of the recording.
Kati Khait
01.01.2012		oh yea and I didn't mean perfect as in the definition you guys have. I just meant free of any obvious errors.
Kati Khait
01.01.2012
Originally Posted by mbthegreat
You've got a few options,

1. Get it right first time
2. Do the mix several times until you get it right

Both of which obviously require you to be capable of doing the whole set without messing up.

Or:

3. Use sync
4. Splice together several recordings

Or:

5. Do it in ableton

3,4,5 may or may not be considered cheating. Obviously you want your mix to be perfect. If you are intending to use this mix to get gigs make sure you can actually play a decent set. No point in having a fantastic demo and then trainwrecking your way through the evening .
I just make mixes for my friends/schoolmates/people in my city because I've been trying to introduce and spread electro house/progressive house/dubstep to people. I try to make a mix every month or so to show everyone new tracks that I like or what have you so I just wanted the transitions to be really professional.

What do you mean by splice the mix in several recordings? I thought about that but after I did like 2 songs I listened to it and it sounded like the audio quality was sinking since the eq is all messed up. Also wouldn't I have to start recording the mix from the start every time I add a new song? I'm using traktor pro 2 for reference.
Originally Posted by Nicky H
It's supposed to be fun

I believe
Hahaha I know, I have fun doing it but if I keep messing up a transition and have to keep practicing it over and over it just gets frustrating because I can't enjoy the music since I would only be working with roughly 60 seconds of music.
Joie Cantillon
31.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
Agreed, and that's the problem with everyone these days, there isn't enough of a learning curve so everyone believes they should be able to get everything to sound perfect, I can't speak for anyone else, but my ear has to be trained to hear minute differences in volume and whatnot....for one thing at least

but there have been many many mixes that were perfect at that moment (see sasha circa 1999, the guy could (can? I haven't seen him live in over 10 years) read a crowd so well.)
Joie Cantillon
31.12.2011
Originally Posted by keithace
i beg to differ...Sasha's Global Underground San Francisco...both CDs...

I tend to believe of DJ-ing like golf...there is never a perfect game in golf...it's you versus the course..and the course wins every time...
Agreed x50000 though the second disc is superior to my mind, I remember playing it for some of my hardcore junglist buddies back when I first got a hold of it, they were acting all disinterested, but then the mota started going round and everyone of them were impressed, truly the greatest moment in prog trance
Randal Biza
31.12.2011		I found this to be useful general advice.

Want to make more music? Say hello to your enemy: Perfection

http://www.lostinmusik.net/?p=1240

Gerard Cowin
30.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
Liessss
Palma Hanslip
30.12.2011		There is no such thing as a perfect mix but there is such thing are a brilliant mix..

But your only solution if you want to just manually mix everything is as quoted above:

1. Get it right first time
2. Do the mix several times until you get it right

Until you are able to do this, it is a case of practice, practice, practice..
Margie Pavell
30.12.2011
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
i beg to differ...Sasha's Global Underground San Francisco...both CDs...

I tend to believe of DJ-ing like golf...there is never a perfect game in golf...it's you versus the course..and the course wins every time...
Latoria Kavulich
30.12.2011		there is no such thing as a perfect mix.
Janyce Henningson
30.12.2011
Originally Posted by rcs1113
How can I make the mix perfect without the insanely high levels of frustration?
It's supposed to be fun

I believe
Cami Loretdemola
30.12.2011		You've got a few options,

1. Get it right first time
2. Do the mix several times until you get it right

Both of which obviously require you to be capable of doing the whole set without messing up.

Or:

3. Use sync
4. Splice together several recordings

Or:

5. Do it in ableton

3,4,5 may or may not be considered cheating. Obviously you want your mix to be perfect. If you are intending to use this mix to get gigs make sure you can actually play a decent set. No point in having a fantastic demo and then trainwrecking your way through the evening .
Gerard Cowin
30.12.2011		Practice, practice, and more practice. It takes time, don't expect perfection until you've mastered your craft, which takes years of hard work and dedication.

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