Mix CD's

Mix CD's
Posted on: 26.05.2012 by Tobi Mastbergen
Hey everyone! I am going to start handing out mix CD's to promoters and club owners that I know. I have never actually ever performed in a club before, and am really not sure as to how to structure this mix CD. Should it have only one genre? or span across many genres and styles?

Thanks for your help in advance
Nikole Resende
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
Most people mix with Mp3's. And by that, I mean saving the mix in format of an Mp3 where you can fit 3-4 mixes onto one CD, rather than a normal audio (.wav) CD, which you can only fit one mix on there usually.

It's just about compression and space. I don't really care to get into the debate about what quality is better or whatnot, because most people are starting out on Mp3's these days anyhow so the point is moot when it comes to converting via recording to .wav quality.

Not saying people should throw Mp3's on a CD and hand it out, but saving the mix as .Mp3 and having more than one on a singular CD.

Not wanting to start any argument here, but there's one thing you should keep in mind:

When saving a mix as Mp3 this means another compression process. So especially people who start out on Mp3s should try to avoid saving their mixes as Mp3s as well, as it means that the same process that originally was used to convert the track to Mp3 will be applied to the mix as well, i.e. the already compressed file will be compressed once more. Even if you use 320 kbps Mp3 to mix with, every further compression step will further decrease the sound quality and the degredation in sound will eventually get noticeable.

So even (or especially) if you're mixing with Mp3s, your format of choice for saving your mixes should always be WAV! Only use Mp3 if you have to, e.g. for streaming, or if there are any storage space issues (like if you want to put severaly mixes on one CD).
I always keep a WAV copy of all my mixes.
Audrey Pinda
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
MP3 C.D? Why would you even bother if it's lower quality? anything professionally has to be wav 44k 16bit or above - plus a track marked mp3 c.d, unless done in a certain way, will have small gaps between each track - so I don't even know, or have ever heard anyone even playing with the idea of having an mp3 C.D trackmarked mix.
Most people mix with Mp3's. And by that, I mean saving the mix in format of an Mp3 where you can fit 3-4 mixes onto one CD, rather than a normal audio (.wav) CD, which you can only fit one mix on there usually.

It's just about compression and space. I don't really care to get into the debate about what quality is better or whatnot, because most people are starting out on Mp3's these days anyhow so the point is moot when it comes to converting via recording to .wav quality.

Not saying people should throw Mp3's on a CD and hand it out, but saving the mix as .Mp3 and having more than one on a singular CD.
Joesph Kasian
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
^^^ the difference between a professional mixtape these days and just a guy who can mix. Can't say how much it shows when someone has it broken up properly.

Personally my debate has always been Mp3 CD or normal (WAV) audio CD. Because I know a lot of people listen to music in their cars, and not everyone has an Mp3 player in their car.
MP3 C.D? Why would you even bother if it's lower quality? anything professionally has to be wav 44k 16bit or above - plus a track marked mp3 c.d, unless done in a certain way, will have small gaps between each track - so I don't even know, or have ever heard anyone even playing with the idea of having an mp3 C.D trackmarked mix.
Audrey Pinda
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by Maxted
Dont forget to track it properly too so they can skip through.
^^^ the difference between a professional mixtape these days and just a guy who can mix. Can't say how much it shows when someone has it broken up properly.

Personally my debate has always been Mp3 CD or normal (WAV) audio CD. Because I know a lot of people listen to music in their cars, and not everyone has an Mp3 player in their car.
Nereida Jasnoch
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by 3heads
Mix like you would play out - I mean, it should be representative, eh. Easy as that.
Words to live by.
And don't forget to include a nice headshot and a classy way to present your contact info, don't just write it on a napkin at the club or something.
Tobi Mastbergen
26.05.2012
Hey everyone! I am going to start handing out mix CD's to promoters and club owners that I know. I have never actually ever performed in a club before, and am really not sure as to how to structure this mix CD. Should it have only one genre? or span across many genres and styles?

Thanks for your help in advance
Alexandra Nerby
29.05.2012
Doing what you describe has absolutely no advantage...saving an MP3 as a wav. It will not up-convert, it is already lossy. If you save your 320 MP3 as another 320 mp3, the effect of the compression is minimal to none. Now, if you save your 320 mp3 as a 256 kbs, then yes, it may be noticeable, but then again, to the normal listener most likely listening in a car or iPod, probably not.

So in essence, your saved wav mixes sounds exactly like your original 320 mp3s...
Nikole Resende
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
Most people mix with Mp3's. And by that, I mean saving the mix in format of an Mp3 where you can fit 3-4 mixes onto one CD, rather than a normal audio (.wav) CD, which you can only fit one mix on there usually.

It's just about compression and space. I don't really care to get into the debate about what quality is better or whatnot, because most people are starting out on Mp3's these days anyhow so the point is moot when it comes to converting via recording to .wav quality.

Not saying people should throw Mp3's on a CD and hand it out, but saving the mix as .Mp3 and having more than one on a singular CD.

Not wanting to start any argument here, but there's one thing you should keep in mind:

When saving a mix as Mp3 this means another compression process. So especially people who start out on Mp3s should try to avoid saving their mixes as Mp3s as well, as it means that the same process that originally was used to convert the track to Mp3 will be applied to the mix as well, i.e. the already compressed file will be compressed once more. Even if you use 320 kbps Mp3 to mix with, every further compression step will further decrease the sound quality and the degredation in sound will eventually get noticeable.

So even (or especially) if you're mixing with Mp3s, your format of choice for saving your mixes should always be WAV! Only use Mp3 if you have to, e.g. for streaming, or if there are any storage space issues (like if you want to put severaly mixes on one CD).
I always keep a WAV copy of all my mixes.
Tobi Mastbergen
29.05.2012
ok thanks heaps for the feedback everyone! This has helped me so much!
Rolanda Clodfelder
28.05.2012
I'm talking about maybe some tricky transition between your first 2 songs, or something that basically just demonstrates your skills as a DJ and shows that this isnt your 1st rodeo
Spot on

I believe demos should be about 15-25 min long, and songs should be mixed in and out fairly quickly.
In some genres its next to impossible to do anything within ten mins (progressive house for example) without making a complete dog mess out of it.

plus a track marked mp3 c.d, unless done in a certain way, will have small gaps between each track
Some CD players / Car Stereos will insert a gap regardless of the format, I have this prob with my DVD player at home and my mates (sony) car system.

Also mix CD's that are broken into multiple tracks bug the hell Outta me as I'd normally rip the mix to iTunes to listen to on my phone/ipod/computer at my leisure... bye bye mix.

A well constructed tracklist should suffice.
Addie Engbrecht
27.05.2012
Just remember a demo mix is very different than any other mix. Promoters and managers/owners get quite a few of these. You have to try and keep their attention throughout the mix and prove your ability as a DJ very early on in the mix. Talking to promoters and managers I figured out that chances are, even if they like your mix, they prob won't listen to more than 10 min of it. Long drawn out mixes are going to be skipped over. I believe demos should be about 15-25 min long, and songs should be mixed in and out fairly quickly. Be sure to somehow grab their attention within the first couple mins. Doesnt mean start off playing peak hour songs, cause that just makes you seem like every other newb. I'm talking about maybe some tricky transition between your first 2 songs, or something that basically just demonstrates your skills as a DJ and shows that this isnt your 1st rodeo.
Audrey Pinda
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
MP3 C.D? Why would you even bother if it's lower quality? anything professionally has to be wav 44k 16bit or above - plus a track marked mp3 c.d, unless done in a certain way, will have small gaps between each track - so I don't even know, or have ever heard anyone even playing with the idea of having an mp3 C.D trackmarked mix.
Most people mix with Mp3's. And by that, I mean saving the mix in format of an Mp3 where you can fit 3-4 mixes onto one CD, rather than a normal audio (.wav) CD, which you can only fit one mix on there usually.

It's just about compression and space. I don't really care to get into the debate about what quality is better or whatnot, because most people are starting out on Mp3's these days anyhow so the point is moot when it comes to converting via recording to .wav quality.

Not saying people should throw Mp3's on a CD and hand it out, but saving the mix as .Mp3 and having more than one on a singular CD.
Joesph Kasian
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
^^^ the difference between a professional mixtape these days and just a guy who can mix. Can't say how much it shows when someone has it broken up properly.

Personally my debate has always been Mp3 CD or normal (WAV) audio CD. Because I know a lot of people listen to music in their cars, and not everyone has an Mp3 player in their car.
MP3 C.D? Why would you even bother if it's lower quality? anything professionally has to be wav 44k 16bit or above - plus a track marked mp3 c.d, unless done in a certain way, will have small gaps between each track - so I don't even know, or have ever heard anyone even playing with the idea of having an mp3 C.D trackmarked mix.
Audrey Pinda
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by Maxted
Dont forget to track it properly too so they can skip through.
^^^ the difference between a professional mixtape these days and just a guy who can mix. Can't say how much it shows when someone has it broken up properly.

Personally my debate has always been Mp3 CD or normal (WAV) audio CD. Because I know a lot of people listen to music in their cars, and not everyone has an Mp3 player in their car.
Nereida Jasnoch
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by 3heads
Mix like you would play out - I mean, it should be representative, eh. Easy as that.
Words to live by.
And don't forget to include a nice headshot and a classy way to present your contact info, don't just write it on a napkin at the club or something.
Melinda Shick
27.05.2012
Really depends on your scene, ive always done many genres - but nowdays find places i want to play have strict policies e.g. entirely techno, entirely dnb.

But if your just handing out randomly, do multiple genres, pick tracks that really represent your tastes and make them work - dont just throw tracks in becausd they mix well.
Dont forget to track it properly too so they can skip through.
Celestine Porebski
27.05.2012
Mix like you would play out - I mean, it should be representative, eh. Easy as that.
Jolynn Schroyer
27.05.2012
I would try many genre's too add some variety of flavor.

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