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I'm right about to buy two QSC K12s...
Posted on: 15.05.2013 by Mitsuko Fanucchi
So I'm going to buy these today, got an awesome deal from proaudiostar, and I just wanted to ask a quick couple questions before I go ahead with this.

I realize I won't have a massive amount of low-end off of these, and I won't be able to afford a sub for a while. For bigger events there will be subs available and I can make that work out. But for house parties/events I put on myself or for my friends, there most likely will not be a sub available.

Will these be enough for moderate to large house parties? I play pretty bass heavy music, and I'd rather not spend a bunch of money I saved up for really underwhelming sound.

I notice these have a "Deep Mode", or setting used for when you do not have an external sub. I can't imagine they would provide this option if these speakers are useless in the bass department to begin with, I just have no way to listen to these beforehand and want to get an idea of how much bass I'm actually going to get. As for their sound signature versus other models in their bracket I'm really not too concerned about, from what I've heard about them I believe I will be satisfied.

So, in a medium sized room, at a probably pretty loud house party (anywhere between 30, all the way up to a big party of maybe 150 people) will these provide enough low end? I know this is all very subjective, but I really don't know who else to ask really.
Julissa Serrone
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
ZLX line had been recalled. I run ELX112P w/ ZXA-1 sub, couldn't justify lugging ELX118P around and taking up space.

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Abide - I've got 112P's but don't believe I can fit much more than a ZXA-1 sub in my car. Are you using 1 or 2 subs, and is it a noticable difference? My understanding is the sub won't provide much as it's not going to go any lower since it's the same size as your top? I really don't have much of an option though space wise.

Papo --- just crank up the volume on your K12's and sub and point them towards the dancefloor!!!
Albertina Fay
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
The 3 different speakers have different coverage patterns. The K8 is 105 degrees (from center), the K10 is 90 degrees, and the K12 is 75 degree. You are supposed to select a speaker based on the size and shape of the area to be filled with sound. Every other manufacturer pretty much sticks with 90 degree throughout their line-up.

Basically if you have patrons at your sides in a narrow but wide venue the K8 is the optimal coverage pattern. Whereas the venue is deep and narrow the K12 can throw further.

Subs are omni-directional, meaning sound leaves them evenly in every direction. You can actually improve volume and sound by placing two KSubs directly next to each other instead of spaced apart using the pole mount tops. The sound waves will collide and phase cancel leaving dead spots in the room sounding like there's no sub at all.
Thanks. I now understand the "long throw" term you used.
Albertina Fay
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
PLEASE NOTE that QSC engineers coverage patterns into their line. K12 is for long throw applications (75 degrees of coverage). I feel like too many consumers are ignoring this and buying the wrong speakers for their commonly used application.
Can you please elaborate on this?
Lashay Walchak
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by grandlethal
Err, the ELX 112P seem to run at about 600$ each, and the matching powered 18 at 800$, that's 2000$. unless there is somewhere I could get all that with about 500$ knocked off?
I'll knock $400 off for you. You could also consider the 112 tops w/ the ZXA-1 sub x 2 and save $480, so $1920 before tax.
Jerica Salava
20.05.2013		heard these the other day. Yamaha DXR10 and DXS15. blew my mind. great build, amazing clarity and output. the DXS15 sub sounds huge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_z9m5N9Nu0


sick.
Merlyn Birchfield
20.05.2013		I can attest to the "long throw" aspect of the K-12s. I noticed this immediately... I can turn them on in the back of my garage at a very low listening volume, go across the street to the neighbor's back yard and hear them like I'm standing in front of them. Kinda freaky.
Lashay Walchak
18.05.2013		The Yamaha DXS12 just doesn't seem to stack up numbers wise. The key selling point on ZXA-Sub is weight, 48lbs. The Yamaha is 73lbs, 100 watts less, and has a higher frequency response 47hz vs 44hz. Again w/ the MSR, even less wattage, looks heavier and bigger (has to be being a 15").
Julissa Serrone
17.05.2013		....also what do you believe about the smaller Yamaha Subs DXS or MSR series. Too big? Not as good?
Julissa Serrone
17.05.2013		I'm stuck in a 2 door sports car. I believet the ZXA might be my best choice of what fits in my car. Read some reviews on the KSub that weren't all that great. I don't do many mobile gigs, and the ones I do (or am willing to do) are smaller parties around 100 folks. Gonna see if I can give it a listen some time soon. Thanks for the reply.
Lashay Walchak
16.05.2013		Went and looked at specs. ZXA-Sub freq. resp. 44hz-118hz. ELX 55hz-20khz. I also see they have a seperate model name for the speaker itself. That thing gets it, 4 of them would be tits!
Lashay Walchak
16.05.2013		The ZXA-Sub is awesome! To believe there wont be any additional bass is crazy. Is that how the spec sheets read? I only picked up one to use in the studio and on light duty gigs. Sold the local bar a ELX118P that I use every week alomg with the ZXA-Sub and ELX tops. I do use w/ sub switch on the tops.
Julissa Serrone
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
ZLX line had been recalled. I run ELX112P w/ ZXA-1 sub, couldn't justify lugging ELX118P around and taking up space.

.
Abide - I've got 112P's but don't believe I can fit much more than a ZXA-1 sub in my car. Are you using 1 or 2 subs, and is it a noticable difference? My understanding is the sub won't provide much as it's not going to go any lower since it's the same size as your top? I really don't have much of an option though space wise.

Papo --- just crank up the volume on your K12's and sub and point them towards the dancefloor!!!
Albertina Fay
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
The 3 different speakers have different coverage patterns. The K8 is 105 degrees (from center), the K10 is 90 degrees, and the K12 is 75 degree. You are supposed to select a speaker based on the size and shape of the area to be filled with sound. Every other manufacturer pretty much sticks with 90 degree throughout their line-up.

Basically if you have patrons at your sides in a narrow but wide venue the K8 is the optimal coverage pattern. Whereas the venue is deep and narrow the K12 can throw further.

Subs are omni-directional, meaning sound leaves them evenly in every direction. You can actually improve volume and sound by placing two KSubs directly next to each other instead of spaced apart using the pole mount tops. The sound waves will collide and phase cancel leaving dead spots in the room sounding like there's no sub at all.
Thanks. I now understand the "long throw" term you used.
Lashay Walchak
16.05.2013		The 3 different speakers have different coverage patterns. The K8 is 105 degrees (from center), the K10 is 90 degrees, and the K12 is 75 degree. You are supposed to select a speaker based on the size and shape of the area to be filled with sound. Every other manufacturer pretty much sticks with 90 degree throughout their line-up.

Basically if you have patrons at your sides in a narrow but wide venue the K8 is the optimal coverage pattern. Whereas the venue is deep and narrow the K12 can throw further.

Subs are omni-directional, meaning sound leaves them evenly in every direction. You can actually improve volume and sound by placing two KSubs directly next to each other instead of spaced apart using the pole mount tops. The sound waves will collide and phase cancel leaving dead spots in the room sounding like there's no sub at all.
Albertina Fay
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
PLEASE NOTE that QSC engineers coverage patterns into their line. K12 is for long throw applications (75 degrees of coverage). I feel like too many consumers are ignoring this and buying the wrong speakers for their commonly used application.
Can you please elaborate on this?
Lashay Walchak
17.05.2013		If you're going to go no sub run a 15" like ELX115P or Yamaha DXR15.
Lashay Walchak
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by grandlethal
Err, the ELX 112P seem to run at about 600$ each, and the matching powered 18 at 800$, that's 2000$. unless there is somewhere I could get all that with about 500$ knocked off?
I'll knock $400 off for you. You could also consider the 112 tops w/ the ZXA-1 sub x 2 and save $480, so $1920 before tax.
Lashay Walchak
17.05.2013		ZLX line had been recalled. I run ELX112P w/ ZXA-1 sub, couldn't justify lugging ELX118P around and taking up space.

PLEASE NOTE that QSC engineers coverage patterns into their line. K12 is for long throw applications (75 degrees of coverage). I feel like too many consumers are ignoring this and buying the wrong speakers for their commonly used application.
Logan Hochendoner
16.05.2013		You will never regret the QSC purchase. They sound AMAZING! Use them for now and get a sub ASAP. Like the QSC K181. I have the K10/K181 combo and its absolutely amazing.
Romelia Stankard
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Sorry to jump on the thread but what does everyone believe of the K8s for home monitoring? Compared to speakers and Amp or studio monitors. I'll start a thread if you believe I should OP
monitoring for what?

if anything production related then no way. overkill for DJing when you would probably be better off and it will definitely sound better with cheaper monitors and a sub over just k8s.
Harley Zitka
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Sorry to jump on the thread but what does everyone believe of the K8s for home monitoring? Compared to speakers and Amp or studio monitors. I'll start a thread if you believe I should OP
I'd just get studio monitors if you are only using them at home. You can get a proper monitor setup + sub for the price of the K8's. Just my 2 cents.
Rochel Gleese
16.05.2013		Sorry to jump on the thread but what does everyone believe of the K8s for home monitoring? Compared to speakers and Amp or studio monitors. I'll start a thread if you believe I should OP
Doreen Schurle
15.05.2013		Depending on how "handy" you are, you could always build yourself a relatively compact and insanely powerful sub for like $200... do some research on tapped horn enclosures. A 12" (or even dual 8") high-extension driver, some of which are available for peanuts - especially if your primary concern is volume rather than quality - can be taken down to 30-70Hz in a tapped horn setup.
Harley Zitka
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by grandlethal
So the ELX set up would be better overall considering that if I get the QSC's I won't have money for a sub for a loooonnnggg time.
The QSC's are incredible speakers... but without a sub you will be wanting more. I have the ELX 15's, 12's and 18's. For the money, it's pretty hard to beat the quality. Two ELX112P's and an EXL118P would be a great starter kit, especially if you can them discounted.
Mitsuko Fanucchi
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by brocklambert
Call various places and get their best price. If you pay retail you're getting taken. You can get a minimum of 20% off at any high-volume retailer.
So the ELX set up would be better overall considering that if I get the QSC's I won't have money for a sub for a loooonnnggg time.
Harley Zitka
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by grandlethal
Err, the ELX 112P seem to run at about 600$ each, and the matching powered 18 at 800$, that's 2000$. unless there is somewhere I could get all that with about 500$ knocked off?
Call various places and get their best price. If you pay retail you're getting taken. You can get a minimum of 20% off at any high-volume retailer.
Mitsuko Fanucchi
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
if you need a sub and tops package on a budget for the EV ELX line. 12 inch tops and sub comes to about 1550.00

I've read mixed reviews on the ZLX. Honestly they are too new to really consider them a safe purchase and I doubt they were meant to compete with the QSC K series.

K-12's are the standard. I believe with two tops you could throw a decent indoor house party, but if money is tight I'd go the ELX route. For the extra 200 bucks you'll get a much more complete system.
Err, the ELX 112P seem to run at about 600$ each, and the matching powered 18 at 800$, that's 2000$. unless there is somewhere I could get all that with about 500$ knocked off?
Harley Zitka
15.05.2013		There is no substitute for a subwoofer. Not even a 15" full-range can reproduce low bass frequencies properly.
Julissa Serrone
15.05.2013		if you need a sub and tops package on a budget for the EV ELX line. 12 inch tops and sub comes to about 1550.00

I've read mixed reviews on the ZLX. Honestly they are too new to really consider them a safe purchase and I doubt they were meant to compete with the QSC K series.

K-12's are the standard. I believe with two tops you could throw a decent indoor house party, but if money is tight I'd go the ELX route. For the extra 200 bucks you'll get a much more complete system.
Romelia Stankard
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by grandlethal
So, I was also looking at the new EV ZLXs. at about 400 each,, maybe slightly less. that leaves me with 550 to spend on a sub, give or take. Can I even get a respectable powered 18" for that much? Assuming i want to spend no more than 1350, which is what i gutting out for the k12s.
I don't know, haven't shopped for speakers recently. I'm sure you can get a sub for a little bit more and or you can shop used. I've owned QSC setups before and while they are great I would definitely go the ZLX or similar route with a sub over just QSC tops.

also look at RCF
Mitsuko Fanucchi
15.05.2013		better than 1350 for brand mew k12s no tax free shipping?

dunno about a payment plan, no idea what my fonancial situation is gonna look like in the next 6 months
Roseline Canright
15.05.2013		call up zzounds.com and they'll get you a better deal and do a free payment plan on the sub. BOOM!
Mitsuko Fanucchi
15.05.2013
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I actually kinda disagree. K12s are great speakers but they will be light on the sub bass compared to any slightly cheaper speaker setup with a sub. If you play bass heavy music you're definitely going to notice....
So, I was also looking at the new EV ZLXs. at about 400 each,, maybe slightly less. that leaves me with 550 to spend on a sub, give or take. Can I even get a respectable powered 18" for that much? Assuming i want to spend no more than 1350, which is what i gutting out for the k12s.
Romelia Stankard
15.05.2013		I actually kinda disagree. K12s are great speakers but they will be light on the sub bass compared to any slightly cheaper speaker setup with a sub. If you play bass heavy music you're definitely going to notice....
Mitsuko Fanucchi
15.05.2013		I really don't understand specs very well, or the difference between Response and Range. But the sepcs for these say they go down to 48hz... Does that mean, anything below that point is very quiet? completely inaudible? Or what? Because a lot of deep bass notes hit below that (some of the sweetest ones too!)/
Merlyn Birchfield
15.05.2013		You'll be set. I love my K-12s and I use them to play small-to-medium sized parties all the time. They are perfect for my 1100 square foot garage. You won't be blowing the place apart, but they know how to bass.

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