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Rane Empath/EFX-1000 or DJM-800 Posted on: 18.05.2013 by Orpha Battel I'm not made of diamonds, and I recently sold my Denon Dn-X1500S, so now I'm on the hunt for my next mixer. I was pretty set on getting an used DJM-800, but now I'm believeing of getting a Rane Empath plus EFX-1000 (found great prices on all of these). DJM-800, to me, is pretty versatile, but I've heard amazing things about the sound quality of Rane products. I mix trance and some electro house. Let me know what you guys believe of either setup. Thanks!
Dorie Scelzo 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin Yes I'm sure there isn't any difference between an analog mixer and a digital mixer. I disagree. I believe the digital mixers sound unquestionably better in one very small way that no one will ever hear at club volumes: noise floor. At the high-end DJ mixer level (rane, A&H, Pio, etc.), I feel like I'd be hard pressed to hear any real difference that wasn't caused by an EQ curve or user error regardless of listening environment. But I have heard the difference between mixers, blind, in a very good room. It was comparing a signal run straight out of a Pro Tools 8 HD rig to the same signal run through the master of an SSL 4000G+ in a high-end studio with main monitors (and housings) that were designed specifically for that room and (IIRC) Bryston amps. The only difference I heard was in noise floor; the SSL's was audible, PT's wasn't. The most audible difference comes from running things into distortion, at which point it's very easy to tell which kind of crap you're listening to. So, agreeing with most others, buy a mixer based on the features and price you want. As long as it's one of the high-end household names, it won't be the weak point in your signal chain. At home, it'll either be your files or your speakers.
Samuel Stamaria 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco pubic hairs. Lel
Anissa Perusek 21.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout You bringing tube amps to all your gigs bro? You're splitting hairs so small that it's silly. pubic hairs.
Kathe Stump 21.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin Yes I'm sure there isn't any difference between an analog mixer and a digital mixer. You bringing tube amps to all your gigs bro? You're splitting hairs so small that it's silly.
Samuel Stamaria 21.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout Vinyl on the empath will sound exactly like FLACs on the empath, just like vinyl and digital will sound exactly the same on the empath as on the pioneer (unless you're playing on a million-dollar Funktion one setup maybe). Do research dude, it's all placebo. You don't hear as well as you believe you do. Yes I'm sure there isn't any difference between an analog mixer and a digital mixer.
Kathe Stump 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin Even giving that argument away without truly reading into it, sound quality wise empath > 800. Any day of the week EDIT: I'm assuming you're talking about the digital v. analog bullshit arguments, if so I was referring to vinyl on the 800 compared to vinyl on the empath. Vinyl on the empath will sound exactly like FLACs on the empath, just like vinyl and digital will sound exactly the same on the empath as on the pioneer (unless you're playing on a million-dollar Funktion one setup maybe). Do research dude, it's all placebo. You don't hear as well as you believe you do.
Samuel Stamaria 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout We don't have that argument here any more. There were too many people who knew what they were talking about, and the vinyl "audiophiles" just got their asses kicked. Even giving that argument away without truly reading into it, sound quality wise empath > 800. Any day of the week EDIT: I'm assuming you're talking about the digital v. analog bullshit arguments, if so I was referring to vinyl on the 800 compared to vinyl on the empath.
Kathe Stump 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin I'd like to make a point that the Empath sounds way better than the 800 and it is noticeable. Especiallyyyy with vinyl We don't have that argument here any more. There were too many people who knew what they were talking about, and the vinyl "audiophiles" just got their asses kicked.
Tamela Batara 19.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout The Pio effects are kind of their own beast. I wouldn't say they're bad, but they aren't very intuitive. You really have to learn to use them. Seriously though, are you really going to bring an RMX 1000 to every gig and hook it up for a set? Never get used to relying on gear that you won't always have live. The RMX-1000 is for if you're big enough to put it on your rider and have it set up for you. Ridiculous. The RMX could easily be taken with you as a portable fx unit, as said later, it is no less portable than a X1 or similar. There is no need whatsoever for you not to have it available wherever you play. Great if you can get it on a rider, but easy to take and set-up yourself. Originally Posted by Jaeros I thought about grabbing a DJM-700 and an used RMX-1000. That machine looks FINE! That's what I would do. If your wanting to get used to the Pioneer workflow. Although the DJM 750 will probably be around the same price, and have a nice little soundcard there too. Alternativley, it looks like the xone 42/62 come it at the same price as the DJM 700 (in the states, Guitar centre), and will have a nice, warm, analogue sound. Slightly different workflow than DJM mixers, but DJM mixers are pretty easy to get the hang of. 5 mins and your off.
Leota Dolney 18.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout Seriously though, are you really going to bring an RMX 1000 to every gig and hook it up for a set? Never get used to relying on gear that you won't always have live. The RMX-1000 is for if you're big enough to put it on your rider and have it set up.... Actually, yeah...that's what I love about the RMX. It's just about the size of a Kontrol X1, so it's easily transportable, so all you need is it, a couple of cables for send/return, and a couple of USB sticks and you're set. Don't know why it would require you to be big enough to have it on a rider.
Dorie Scelzo 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin Yes I'm sure there isn't any difference between an analog mixer and a digital mixer. I disagree. I believe the digital mixers sound unquestionably better in one very small way that no one will ever hear at club volumes: noise floor. At the high-end DJ mixer level (rane, A&H, Pio, etc.), I feel like I'd be hard pressed to hear any real difference that wasn't caused by an EQ curve or user error regardless of listening environment. But I have heard the difference between mixers, blind, in a very good room. It was comparing a signal run straight out of a Pro Tools 8 HD rig to the same signal run through the master of an SSL 4000G+ in a high-end studio with main monitors (and housings) that were designed specifically for that room and (IIRC) Bryston amps. The only difference I heard was in noise floor; the SSL's was audible, PT's wasn't. The most audible difference comes from running things into distortion, at which point it's very easy to tell which kind of crap you're listening to. So, agreeing with most others, buy a mixer based on the features and price you want. As long as it's one of the high-end household names, it won't be the weak point in your signal chain. At home, it'll either be your files or your speakers.
Hanna Ridenbaugh 20.05.2013	Try a xone 62, second hand you can find very good prices and great filters. Quality mixer.
Orpha Battel 20.05.2013	Was gonna order an 800, but GC sold it before I got to it I'm gonna pick up a 700 today, though. thanks for all the replies!
Samuel Stamaria 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco pubic hairs. Lel
Normand Kaminsky 20.05.2013	if you buy the RMX just make sure you have a mixer that has a send/return on it. I play weekly on a set up with 2 cdj 2000, a djm 700 and them rmx 1000 and it sounds great. People can say what ever they wish but 99.9999999999999999% of people will never hear a difference between mixers.
Anissa Perusek 21.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout You bringing tube amps to all your gigs bro? You're splitting hairs so small that it's silly. pubic hairs.
Kathe Stump 21.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin Yes I'm sure there isn't any difference between an analog mixer and a digital mixer. You bringing tube amps to all your gigs bro? You're splitting hairs so small that it's silly.
Samuel Stamaria 21.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout Vinyl on the empath will sound exactly like FLACs on the empath, just like vinyl and digital will sound exactly the same on the empath as on the pioneer (unless you're playing on a million-dollar Funktion one setup maybe). Do research dude, it's all placebo. You don't hear as well as you believe you do. Yes I'm sure there isn't any difference between an analog mixer and a digital mixer.
Kathe Stump 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin Even giving that argument away without truly reading into it, sound quality wise empath > 800. Any day of the week EDIT: I'm assuming you're talking about the digital v. analog bullshit arguments, if so I was referring to vinyl on the 800 compared to vinyl on the empath. Vinyl on the empath will sound exactly like FLACs on the empath, just like vinyl and digital will sound exactly the same on the empath as on the pioneer (unless you're playing on a million-dollar Funktion one setup maybe). Do research dude, it's all placebo. You don't hear as well as you believe you do.
Larita Smaga 20.05.2013	I actually have the DJM-700 and RMX-1000 combo myself. The 700 can be had quite cheaply, and as I mostly play on Pioneer mixers at gigs I like that the overall feel and function is very similar to the more expensive/recent models. The sound quality is fine for home use and recording mixes (which will generally be put out as mp3s anyway). Then having the RMX means that I've got some dope FX to take out to gigs with me, which I'm totally familiar with. Also comes in handy when presented with something like a Xone at a gig with no built-in FX. I have my RMX in the UDG Creator case and it easily fits in my bag with all my other stuff.
Hipolito Scionti 20.05.2013	I had an 800 and am a pio fanboy pretty much... Vinyl did sound not lovely on my 800... Serious though if you can get a new soundcard pio mixer (750/850/900) I believe you're getting closer to lossless sound quality from the source... I'm no expert though but it makes sense... The new tech in those mixers is crisp
Samuel Stamaria 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout We don't have that argument here any more. There were too many people who knew what they were talking about, and the vinyl "audiophiles" just got their asses kicked. Even giving that argument away without truly reading into it, sound quality wise empath > 800. Any day of the week EDIT: I'm assuming you're talking about the digital v. analog bullshit arguments, if so I was referring to vinyl on the 800 compared to vinyl on the empath.
Kathe Stump 20.05.2013	Originally Posted by Pavin I'd like to make a point that the Empath sounds way better than the 800 and it is noticeable. Especiallyyyy with vinyl We don't have that argument here any more. There were too many people who knew what they were talking about, and the vinyl "audiophiles" just got their asses kicked.
Samuel Stamaria 19.05.2013	I'd like to make a point that the Empath sounds way better than the 800 and it is noticeable. Especiallyyyy with vinyl
Alla Bluemke 19.05.2013	djm 800 has been one of the most used mixers ever for a reason. Sure people know the effects that come out of it because they are used everywhere! To this day most clubs still have this mixer. And the effects work fairly well if you don't have a heavy hand with them.
Hipolito Scionti 19.05.2013	Truthfully the djm800 does have a slightly metallic sound... If you can stretch to a djm750 or 850 the new pios with the soundcards built in really have better SQ IMO
Tamela Batara 19.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout The Pio effects are kind of their own beast. I wouldn't say they're bad, but they aren't very intuitive. You really have to learn to use them. Seriously though, are you really going to bring an RMX 1000 to every gig and hook it up for a set? Never get used to relying on gear that you won't always have live. The RMX-1000 is for if you're big enough to put it on your rider and have it set up for you. Ridiculous. The RMX could easily be taken with you as a portable fx unit, as said later, it is no less portable than a X1 or similar. There is no need whatsoever for you not to have it available wherever you play. Great if you can get it on a rider, but easy to take and set-up yourself. Originally Posted by Jaeros I thought about grabbing a DJM-700 and an used RMX-1000. That machine looks FINE! That's what I would do. If your wanting to get used to the Pioneer workflow. Although the DJM 750 will probably be around the same price, and have a nice little soundcard there too. Alternativley, it looks like the xone 42/62 come it at the same price as the DJM 700 (in the states, Guitar centre), and will have a nice, warm, analogue sound. Slightly different workflow than DJM mixers, but DJM mixers are pretty easy to get the hang of. 5 mins and your off.
Orpha Battel 19.05.2013	I thought about grabbing a DJM-700 and an used RMX-1000. That machine looks FINE!
Leota Dolney 18.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout Seriously though, are you really going to bring an RMX 1000 to every gig and hook it up for a set? Never get used to relying on gear that you won't always have live. The RMX-1000 is for if you're big enough to put it on your rider and have it set up.... Actually, yeah...that's what I love about the RMX. It's just about the size of a Kontrol X1, so it's easily transportable, so all you need is it, a couple of cables for send/return, and a couple of USB sticks and you're set. Don't know why it would require you to be big enough to have it on a rider.
Alphonso Deitchman 18.05.2013	Get a mixer with the features you want. Any recent mixers from the top brands will have decent sound quality.
Orpha Battel 18.05.2013	I run 320kbps or WAV minimum. It could've been a placebo thing haha. Yet, I am mixerless so I gotta get something soon
Kathe Stump 18.05.2013	Hmm.... Yeah I promise that's a placebo thing... Audio quality ranges only VERY slightly in most mixers. Maybe it's the bitrate of the files you're playing?
Orpha Battel 18.05.2013	I'm using a pair of CDJ-2000s. The sound seems cleaner on a 800 on up. I have not had any other experience on another mixer besides the Denon. I'm leaning towards the 800 to essentially get used to a "basic" setup.
Kathe Stump 18.05.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man Used to have the 800, and the effects I found were pretty useless. Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but they, like most Pioneer fx, aren't exactly subtle. Everyone will know exactly when you are using them. Might be worth getting a slightly lesser mixer, and a better fx unit, like the RMX1000. The Pio effects are kind of their own beast. I wouldn't say they're bad, but they aren't very intuitive. You really have to learn to use them. Seriously though, are you really going to bring an RMX 1000 to every gig and hook it up for a set? Never get used to relying on gear that you won't always have live. The RMX-1000 is for if you're big enough to put it on your rider and have it set up for you. If you're using Traktor, which it sounds like he is, just get a modular controller and use Traktor's effects. Originally Posted by Jaeros xs2man: what would you consider a slightly lesser mixer? I want an updated sound compared to what I had. Maybe a DJM-700? I like effects, but I'm more driven on getting a high sound quality mixer and effects as an option. Thanks! No, really dude... The Sound quality difference between the Denon Dn-X1500S and whatever you buy is going to be basically negligible unless you're playing on a PA high-end enough that the promoters wouldn't let you use your own mixer on anyways. If you're buying a new mixer, it should be for any reason other than that. If you're believeing your audio quality is bad, check the other factors, because i guarantee it's not the mixer.
Orpha Battel 18.05.2013	xs2man: what would you consider a slightly lesser mixer? I want an updated sound compared to what I had. Maybe a DJM-700? I like effects, but I'm more driven on getting a high sound quality mixer and effects as an option. Thanks!
Tamela Batara 18.05.2013	Used to have the 800, and the effects I found were pretty useless. Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but they, like most Pioneer fx, aren't exactly subtle. Everyone will know exactly when you are using them. Might be worth getting a slightly lesser mixer, and a better fx unit, like the RMX1000.
Orpha Battel 18.05.2013	I'm going to go for the 800 then. Thanks for the advice!
Annalisa Shogren 18.05.2013	Yeah. Just get the 800. The EFX 1000 is a bastard to master in all honesty.
Kathe Stump 18.05.2013	You will absolutely never be able to tell sound quality difference between these mixers unless MAYBE you're playing on a million-dollar funktion-one system... And even then I sincerely doubt it. Differences in audio quality in top-tier mixers is one of the most overhyped concepts in gear. It's negligible.

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