Should I go Xone:42 to DJM 800?
Should I go Xone:42 to DJM 800? Posted on: 24.04.2013 by Vernie Kuam Hey y'all,The recent upswing in interest on topics about Allen & Heath vs. Pioneer products made me reconsider an "upgrade" I have been considering for a while. I currently use a Xone:42 (this is the first actual mixer I have owned), but have been contemplating selling it and moving to a DJM 800. This is for a few reasons. Firstly, I am an open-format dj that plays primarily House (actual house), Electro (the "EDM-y" stuff), and Hip Hop, however I also play some Latin and other types of music. Often times I'll start a set with vinyl, playing older music (Stevie Wonder, Frank Sinatra, Galaxy, Ray Charles, Michael Jackson) off of records, then transition to playing MP3's off of Serato. I scratch fairly frequently while mixing, and normally use three decks (with the fourth deck as my SP6 output). While I love the sound of the filters on the Xone, the fact the one has to turn off the channel filter button and then manually switch between high-pass and low-pass while rotating the frequency knob to the other end greatly annoys me, as the "superfilter" effect on the DJM800 is much more efficient for my workflow. Also, the DJM800 features MIDI, however I am unsure as to how I could implement this with SSL. To summarize, reasons to move to a DJM800: -post-fader effects built in (I currently don't have any post-fader effects with the Xone:42) -more efficient filter for my style (superfilter-style knob under the eq pots) -MIDI (but again, I am not sure how to implement this with SSL. If anyone has ideas, please respond below). -"Industry standard" style mixer -I've never actually performed with a DJM series mixer, so it would be good to have one to become familiar -Mine only cost $500 (used), so I could probably recoup most of the investment, and I can likely snag a DJM800 (used) for around $650 off of ebay. Reasons to stay with the Xone:42 -"warmer" sound -Excellent-sounding filters -EQ's are great (as per this threadhttp://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=24558). -It has done the job for what I need What observations, opinions, and questions do you guys have? Do you have anything to add to the pro's for either side? | |
| Cole Maroto 26.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by xs2man
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| Mimi Mahaffee 26.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MYE
Originally Posted by dfinch805
Someone mentioned that the DB2 has the signature "A&H warm sound" and I just have to say that IMO the DB series doesnt sound as good(I.E as warm, punchy midbass) when comparing to the earlier xone series (4D, 92, 42, 62) which is analogue mixers. It clearly seems like a Pioneer DJM mixer would suit your mixing style better than a xone mixer. Either 850 or 900 would be good for you, if you dont plan on using cdjs & rekordbox with the setup I would recommend you the djm 850 since it is more bang for the buck and you don't need the quantize features if u dont use cdj 2000. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 25.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MYE
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| Elsie Golis 25.04.2013 | Even if I wanted to sell it, shipping from germany to USA? Ain't that expensive as hell? :/
Originally Posted by dfinch805
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| Michell Wehrmeyer 24.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by dayvue
I believe the biggest update from 800 to 850 is the usb sound card. Other than that, i believe the 850 has isolator for effects. But really the 850 is just an 800 with a usb sound card certified for traktor. |
| Vernie Kuam 24.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by despo
I don't have any copies of Traktor right now, and I've been djing with serato for three years. What would I need to get software-wise to run traktor if I got a 850? I don't plan on switching to Traktor anytime soon, but it would be good to at least get familiar with it. Also, what are the updates that were made from the 800 to the 850? And haze, your setup is eerily similar to mine (SL4, Xone:42, Technics x2, X1, CDJ-1000, and a VCI-300 for portable things) |
| Vernie Kuam 24.04.2013 | Hey y'all, The recent upswing in interest on topics about Allen & Heath vs. Pioneer products made me reconsider an "upgrade" I have been considering for a while. I currently use a Xone:42 (this is the first actual mixer I have owned), but have been contemplating selling it and moving to a DJM 800. This is for a few reasons. Firstly, I am an open-format dj that plays primarily House (actual house), Electro (the "EDM-y" stuff), and Hip Hop, however I also play some Latin and other types of music. Often times I'll start a set with vinyl, playing older music (Stevie Wonder, Frank Sinatra, Galaxy, Ray Charles, Michael Jackson) off of records, then transition to playing MP3's off of Serato. I scratch fairly frequently while mixing, and normally use three decks (with the fourth deck as my SP6 output). While I love the sound of the filters on the Xone, the fact the one has to turn off the channel filter button and then manually switch between high-pass and low-pass while rotating the frequency knob to the other end greatly annoys me, as the "superfilter" effect on the DJM800 is much more efficient for my workflow. Also, the DJM800 features MIDI, however I am unsure as to how I could implement this with SSL. To summarize, reasons to move to a DJM800: -post-fader effects built in (I currently don't have any post-fader effects with the Xone:42) -more efficient filter for my style (superfilter-style knob under the eq pots) -MIDI (but again, I am not sure how to implement this with SSL. If anyone has ideas, please respond below). -"Industry standard" style mixer -I've never actually performed with a DJM series mixer, so it would be good to have one to become familiar -Mine only cost $500 (used), so I could probably recoup most of the investment, and I can likely snag a DJM800 (used) for around $650 off of ebay. Reasons to stay with the Xone:42 -"warmer" sound -Excellent-sounding filters -EQ's are great (as per this threadhttp://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=24558). -It has done the job for what I need What observations, opinions, and questions do you guys have? Do you have anything to add to the pro's for either side? |
| Gaynell Rydberg 22.05.2013 | Lucky guy! Gratz! |
| Vernie Kuam 22.05.2013 | To cap off this thread, I saw a CL ad for a DJM 800. I had negotiated him to $700, and went to meet with him, only to discover that it was actually a DJM 850. So I ended up getting a barely-used DJM 850 with Guitar Center Warranty for 700. BAYUM! |
| Tamela Batara 26.04.2013 | Not from US so don't know the best place to get them. Just a quick look on ebay... |
| Cole Maroto 26.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by xs2man
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| Mimi Mahaffee 26.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MYE
Originally Posted by dfinch805
Someone mentioned that the DB2 has the signature "A&H warm sound" and I just have to say that IMO the DB series doesnt sound as good(I.E as warm, punchy midbass) when comparing to the earlier xone series (4D, 92, 42, 62) which is analogue mixers. It clearly seems like a Pioneer DJM mixer would suit your mixing style better than a xone mixer. Either 850 or 900 would be good for you, if you dont plan on using cdjs & rekordbox with the setup I would recommend you the djm 850 since it is more bang for the buck and you don't need the quantize features if u dont use cdj 2000. |
| Tamela Batara 25.04.2013 | As MYE said, the DB2 blows the 800/850 out of the water. But you might struggle with your budget. The Denon DN-X1600/1700 may be worth a look too though, and they are scratch certified. Here is one on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Denon-DN-X16...item3a8057c3dd |
| Vernie Kuam 25.04.2013 | Looks like the general consensus is to switch to an 800/850. Since my price range is still $500-700, I may have to wait a while to find a good deal, but we'll see what ebay and CL turn up. Anyone else have something to add? |
| Julissa Serrone 25.04.2013 | If you enjoy scratching I wouldn't be looking at Xone mixer. The DJM performs well enough to pull off some good scratches and if you're an SSL guy, I was taking a long look a the Rane 62, but ultimately kept the DJM since that's what most places have as a club set up. Also with an X1 I don't use the midi on the DJM, the only DJ's I know that do use it for SL-Video. Also, cool set up man.....as simple as it is, my favorite piece of gear is the VCI-300. Straight to the point and I can play anywhere with it. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 25.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MYE
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| Basil Forshee 25.04.2013 | Switches above the level meters. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 25.04.2013 | How do you assign DB2 FX to a specific channel? |
| Bunny Sockel 25.04.2013 | Get a Xone DB2 it's better than all the pioneer mixers and it's not even allen and heaths #1 mixer. The effects are amazing it's got the warm sound of the 42 and it has amazing filters. |
| Elsie Golis 25.04.2013 | Even if I wanted to sell it, shipping from germany to USA? Ain't that expensive as hell? :/
Originally Posted by dfinch805
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| Michell Wehrmeyer 24.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by dayvue
I believe the biggest update from 800 to 850 is the usb sound card. Other than that, i believe the 850 has isolator for effects. But really the 850 is just an 800 with a usb sound card certified for traktor. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 24.04.2013 | If you want to use your CDJ 1000s and Technics with Traktor on the DJM850, all you need to buy is the Software and Timecode Kit (US$119) |
| Vernie Kuam 24.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by despo
I don't have any copies of Traktor right now, and I've been djing with serato for three years. What would I need to get software-wise to run traktor if I got a 850? I don't plan on switching to Traktor anytime soon, but it would be good to at least get familiar with it. Also, what are the updates that were made from the 800 to the 850? And haze, your setup is eerily similar to mine (SL4, Xone:42, Technics x2, X1, CDJ-1000, and a VCI-300 for portable things) |
| Elsie Golis 24.04.2013 | oh yeah actually, get a 900 if you can afford it. I'm planning to get one, totally forgot about that. But yeah, even more expensive lmfao |
| Julissa Serrone 24.04.2013 | Dayvue....I had a 42 and now have an 800 and as an open format DJ I MUCH prefer a DJM 800/850/900 mixer over a xone. Everything you described above is pretty accurate. For scratching especially the DJM crossfader is much better and you can slap an innofader in there. The Xone's cool if you're that type of DJ, but I believe you'll get more use and enjoyment from the 800. |
| Elsie Golis 24.04.2013 | get a djm 850 and start using traktor with the inbuilt soundcard. I got myself an 850 a few days ago and jesus christ, it saves me the hassle of bringing along my interface and shitloads of cables, setup is insanely quick (I have a residency, so I can simply leave the mixer there because I play 4 times a week anyway) well anyway, no matter what software you use, get an 850, great mixer. If you have the budget that is |
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