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Posted on: 17.05.2013 by Season Bergere
Hello.

I have a Traktor S4 but the built-in soundcard is not Windows compatible (latency issues and yes I've tried all the tweaks), that is why I'm looking at an external sound card or audio interface (same thing?).

What do you recommend and advise?

I've heard the Maya 44 USB isn't that great, and there is a Native Instruments thing for basically the same price but I'm worried it is the same as the S4's built-in soundcard.
What else is there?

Thanks!
Doreen Schurle
26.05.2013
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
Well if you wanna know what the real problem was it was the USB connection on my shitty windows laptop. The way Windows distributes power as well as crappy build quality on the physical ports ... and if you read my later post i suggested a budget way of putting together an affordable mac that will perform perfectly with Traktor and the S4 or any NI product.... Whatevers though what do i and almost all successful DJ's know i'm not here to debate do as you like.
"The way Windows distributes power"?

I just... I can't even... Wow, the things I see on here sometimes.
Arnulfo Morten
26.05.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
"Then I bought a mac and it worked" Oh you mean that mac that you hadnt spent months destroying with malware, porn, and trojans and a completely borked registry? Interesting logic on why that mac was just going to work.

To the OP, you said youve tried everything.. even got a little snippy suggesting so. So we are to just take your word for it, know what yovue tried and suggest you buy a new soundcard?


Not sure why buying a mac is being suggested... a overpriced waste of money and hell see the post on the first page here.. Some dudes brand new m ac wont even recognize the x1 and audio6 he just bought.. Hows that for out of the box for you?


As Slvr said above.. you havent really said what youve tried... since "youve tried it all". What tweaks did you make? What buffer setting combinations did you use/tried etc

I have 3 friends who own an S4 with their windows machine and it works fine. With a bottom spec CPU you are going to have to run some very high latency settings

If you have tried a fresh install, and it still doesnt work with high latency settings I would suspect something is wrong with your laptop.
Well if you wanna know what the real problem was it was the USB connection on my shitty windows laptop. The way Windows distributes power as well as crappy build quality on the physical ports ... and if you read my later post i suggested a budget way of putting together an affordable mac that will perform perfectly with Traktor and the S4 or any NI product.... Whatevers though what do i and almost all successful DJ's know i'm not here to debate do as you like.
Irmgard Sandness
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
Thanks for the info.

I believe NI needs to edit their minimum requirements page because they state that the S4 will work with an `AMD Athlon 64' (which is what I have) but clearly it gives audio problems.

I will look into buying a newer laptop soon and update this thread should it work.
The Turion mobile chip is not equivalent to the Athlon 64.. Stick with Intel chips (especially in laptops) and you shouldn't have any issues. You don't even need a laptop with a particularly new Intel.. a Core 2 Duo will work fine.
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by SirReal
Does your Laptop have USB3 or USB2? If USB3 make sure you have NI's latest drivers as there have been issues with USB3. Also, I heard some people mention that some AMD processors don't play nice with NI interfaces.
It's USB2.
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I'm guessing youre still using the AMD Turion TL-66? It seems to benchmark similarly to a 1.4GHz Core 2 Duo, a 1.7Ghz Core 1 Duo, and a 1.8Ghz Celeron, all of which are below spec.

I checked and it is -
AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-66 (2 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
4096MB RAM


Is there a way for me to check the real benchmark to see if it is truly below spec?
And if so, then is it easy to just buy and install a new CPU?
Doreen Schurle
26.05.2013
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
Well if you wanna know what the real problem was it was the USB connection on my shitty windows laptop. The way Windows distributes power as well as crappy build quality on the physical ports ... and if you read my later post i suggested a budget way of putting together an affordable mac that will perform perfectly with Traktor and the S4 or any NI product.... Whatevers though what do i and almost all successful DJ's know i'm not here to debate do as you like.
"The way Windows distributes power"?

I just... I can't even... Wow, the things I see on here sometimes.
Arnulfo Morten
26.05.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
"Then I bought a mac and it worked" Oh you mean that mac that you hadnt spent months destroying with malware, porn, and trojans and a completely borked registry? Interesting logic on why that mac was just going to work.

To the OP, you said youve tried everything.. even got a little snippy suggesting so. So we are to just take your word for it, know what yovue tried and suggest you buy a new soundcard?


Not sure why buying a mac is being suggested... a overpriced waste of money and hell see the post on the first page here.. Some dudes brand new m ac wont even recognize the x1 and audio6 he just bought.. Hows that for out of the box for you?


As Slvr said above.. you havent really said what youve tried... since "youve tried it all". What tweaks did you make? What buffer setting combinations did you use/tried etc

I have 3 friends who own an S4 with their windows machine and it works fine. With a bottom spec CPU you are going to have to run some very high latency settings

If you have tried a fresh install, and it still doesnt work with high latency settings I would suspect something is wrong with your laptop.
Well if you wanna know what the real problem was it was the USB connection on my shitty windows laptop. The way Windows distributes power as well as crappy build quality on the physical ports ... and if you read my later post i suggested a budget way of putting together an affordable mac that will perform perfectly with Traktor and the S4 or any NI product.... Whatevers though what do i and almost all successful DJ's know i'm not here to debate do as you like.
Season Bergere
26.05.2013
Balakoth it's already been established that the problem lies with the cpu so your reply is a bit out-dated. Even my previous post confirms that a new laptop incl. more modern cpu is in order...
Shawn Vanhaitsma
26.05.2013
"Then I bought a mac and it worked" Oh you mean that mac that you hadnt spent months destroying with malware, porn, and trojans and a completely borked registry? Interesting logic on why that mac was just going to work.

To the OP, you said youve tried everything.. even got a little snippy suggesting so. So we are to just take your word for it, know what yovue tried and suggest you buy a new soundcard?


Not sure why buying a mac is being suggested... a overpriced waste of money and hell see the post on the first page here.. Some dudes brand new m ac wont even recognize the x1 and audio6 he just bought.. Hows that for out of the box for you?


As Slvr said above.. you havent really said what youve tried... since "youve tried it all". What tweaks did you make? What buffer setting combinations did you use/tried etc

I have 3 friends who own an S4 with their windows machine and it works fine. With a bottom spec CPU you are going to have to run some very high latency settings

If you have tried a fresh install, and it still doesnt work with high latency settings I would suspect something is wrong with your laptop.
Alphonso Deitchman
26.05.2013
Any i5 will be good enough for the S4+Traktor. That doesn't guarantee that the laptop will perform smoothly though.
Season Bergere
26.05.2013
Ok I've been looking at a few laptops in a price-range that I'm willing to pay.

Firstly, do you believe any i5 would work with the S4?
Example : INTEL CORE i5-3230 with 4GB Memory.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?....60GHz&id=1849

And it's not really a laptop but just for interest sake what do you believe about the lenovo ideacentre touchscreen CORE i5 2310 with 12gb ram (supposed to be quad core)?
It's quite big and heavy compared to a laptop though.
Irmgard Sandness
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
Thanks for the info.

I believe NI needs to edit their minimum requirements page because they state that the S4 will work with an `AMD Athlon 64' (which is what I have) but clearly it gives audio problems.

I will look into buying a newer laptop soon and update this thread should it work.
The Turion mobile chip is not equivalent to the Athlon 64.. Stick with Intel chips (especially in laptops) and you shouldn't have any issues. You don't even need a laptop with a particularly new Intel.. a Core 2 Duo will work fine.
Gaynell Rydberg
17.05.2013
You have the Turion mobile, not the Athlon 64.

Mobile processors are usually quite a bit weaker than their desktop components because they're more power efficient to conserve battery life. That said, minimum requirements are usually all that's needed to run the program, not necessarily run the program smoothly.

You can see here your processor scores below a lot of Athlon 64 and other Turions:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...2+Mobile+TL-66
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
Thanks for the info.

I believe NI needs to edit their minimum requirements page because they state that the S4 will work with an `AMD Athlon 64' (which is what I have) but clearly it gives audio problems.

I will look into buying a newer laptop soon and update this thread should it work.
Annalisa Shogren
17.05.2013
Just get an Intel i5 with 4GB of RAM. I had nothing but problems with my old AMD powered laptop.
Faustino Stringfellow
17.05.2013
A turion is the AMD equivalent of the old Celeron CPU. It's a budget chip, well BELOW specifications, It may have 2 cores but it is NOT CORE2 architecture. I have my backup laptop running exactly the same chip with 4Gb RAM and I can only use 2 decks and minimal FX's without hitting some sort of trouble.

It's not a problem with your S4, it's your laptop.

Changing the CPU is probably impossible, you are right at the top of the tree with that chip, the laptop may be able to take an Athlon x64 but I doubt it. The turion has two build types, 90nm and 65nm ... they don't interchange. Even if you match the correct chip I doubt the board has sufficient power to run the newer CPU and it definitively won't be able to expel the heat quick enough, forcing the chip into powersave mode (slow operation).
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
So according to the minimum requirements for the S4 which are -

2.0 GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2,
2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)

I do have the minimum requirements (2.2mhz and 4gb ram).
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
I downloaded and ran a free program called `CPU free benchmark 2.2' and the results are -

2294MHZ
Benchmark score 52.94 seconds.
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by SirReal
Does your Laptop have USB3 or USB2? If USB3 make sure you have NI's latest drivers as there have been issues with USB3. Also, I heard some people mention that some AMD processors don't play nice with NI interfaces.
It's USB2.
Season Bergere
17.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I'm guessing youre still using the AMD Turion TL-66? It seems to benchmark similarly to a 1.4GHz Core 2 Duo, a 1.7Ghz Core 1 Duo, and a 1.8Ghz Celeron, all of which are below spec.

I checked and it is -
AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-66 (2 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
4096MB RAM


Is there a way for me to check the real benchmark to see if it is truly below spec?
And if so, then is it easy to just buy and install a new CPU?
Alphonso Deitchman
16.05.2013
Guessing it's still this one:
http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=62920

The processor in it is fairly weak.
Ela Hoeger
16.05.2013
What are the specs on your current computer?
Addie Engbrecht
16.05.2013
Geez.......I guess everyone forgets that when the S4 came out pretty much everyone w/ windows had issues. Some were able to fix it fairly easy, some fixed it w/ fairly complicated and involved solutions, some bought Macs, some bought newer faster laptops. NI never truly fixed the issue w/ the drivers/soundcard, made some attempts on drivers that worked a little better, but I believe they're ultimate solution was to just wait it out, cause people are bound to purchase a newer faster laptop in the near future and with that they're problem will go away by itself...........................so i'm guessing you have a fairly old laptop? Prob one that exceeds or meets the suggested specs, but slow compared to whats out there today.
Alphonso Deitchman
16.05.2013
I'm guessing youre still using the AMD Turion TL-66? It seems to benchmark similarly to a 1.4GHz Core 2 Duo, a 1.7Ghz Core 1 Duo, and a 1.8Ghz Celeron, all of which are below spec.
Antonetta Wikel
16.05.2013
Does your Laptop have USB3 or USB2? If USB3 make sure you have NI's latest drivers as there have been issues with USB3. Also, I heard some people mention that some AMD processors don't play nice with NI interfaces.
Gaynell Rydberg
16.05.2013
Really weird problem you're having. Have you tried it with another computer? Maybe your S4 is a dud.

That said, the Traktor USB sound cards are always a solid bet if you want to give NI another chance. The last time I had lag issues was on an Audio 4, but I've used an Audio 2, 6, and 8 without issues. All these were ran on an ASUS UX31A (min specs).

I have an Audio 6 in the Buy & Sell for sale if you're interested.
Season Bergere
16.05.2013
New -

13.3" MACBOOK PRO MD101
2.5 GHz Dual Core i5 processor
4 GB DDR3 RAM
500 GB Hard Drive

Price $1345 incl. courier.

Would rather spend this money on other things...
Neville Blackinton
16.05.2013
Hi,

I have an S4 and it works just fine on multiple windows machines and Apple laptops.

If the problem is your laptop, then logic would suggest the problem would continue to exist even if you got another external sound card.

Just saying before you spend a lot of money on another interface.
Season Bergere
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
How about you describe what you've tried?
Firstly, my laptop does exceed the minimum specs and I've tried all the tweaks/edits (described at length in various posts on this community and elsewhere on the net with regards to audio and Windows) - on both Windows XP and a fresh install of Windows 7.

And even with running the minimum of processes, services, etc and other tweaks I still get audio glitches.

Maybe it's the laptop itself but it does exceed the minimum specs.

So after doing all known tweaks, the other thing that remains is to try a different external sound-card/interface (one guy used a cheap soundblaster and got it to work), and then if that fails to buy a Mac (which I don't need except for the S4).
Arnulfo Morten
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
I've already spent months checking out what the issues may be and then trying to solve it - I thought I made this fact abundantly clear.

What I really would like to know if anyone else who had latency issues managed to solve this problem by getting an external sound-card/interface.

Because if that doesn't work then I'll have to buy a Mac which I don't want too, and it's expensive!
Grab an Old white macbook with a CORE2DUO make sure its this processor!!! add 4 gb of Ram and a SSD

1. OLD MACBOOK Core2Duo $220-350
2. SSD 120GB $70
3. 4GB RAM $65
4. Possible new battery $60

the most important is the SSD the ram is second to that u can run fine on 1 or 2gb of ram and a ssd with osx and traktor
Gaynell Rydberg
16.05.2013
How about you describe what you've tried?
Season Bergere
16.05.2013
Easier said than done. I've spent months trying to figure it out and done all the tweaks and changes others have had success with.

The next step is to try a different sound-card and then if that fails to buy a new laptop (which I don't need except for beautiful music!).
Gaynell Rydberg
16.05.2013
My NI S4 worked completely fine with my Windows.

That said, you can pretty much use any sound card you want. The much cheaper solution is to just figure out what's causing your latnecy issue though.
Season Bergere
16.05.2013
I've already spent months checking out what the issues may be and then trying to solve it - I thought I made this fact abundantly clear.

What I really would like to know if anyone else who had latency issues managed to solve this problem by getting an external sound-card/interface.

Because if that doesn't work then I'll have to buy a Mac which I don't want too, and it's expensive!
Irmgard Sandness
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
That is correct i was a windows users because i couldn't justify spending $800-$1600 on a laptop with lower specs than my current laptop just because it looked cool and all the other dj's were using it. Well I've always had latency crackle and crashes. one day a buddy was like just get a mac and get it over with. Don't let a crappy windows laptop ruin your Dj career. We'll i did it and all problems gone. I have it set to the lowest latency and it runs like a champ. Real world experience and people don't listen because it's too expensive.
That's ummm.. not what I meant at all. Traktor, and NI audio interfaces work perfectly well with Windows. I'm running a Komplete Audio 6 on a not-particularly-fast Dell laptop, and I have zero issues. What I was saying is, instead of the OP dumping the S4's internal interface and buying something new, it'd behoove him to check out what the underlying issues might be that are causing the problem.
Arnulfo Morten
16.05.2013
Originally Posted by avery
I believe it's much more likely that you're having Windows issues, and the latency you're seeing would appear regardless of which interface you use. The S4 and the interface it contains are 100% Windows compatible.
That is correct i was a windows users because i couldn't justify spending $800-$1600 on a laptop with lower specs than my current laptop just because it looked cool and all the other dj's were using it. Well I've always had latency crackle and crashes. one day a buddy was like just get a mac and get it over with. Don't let a crappy windows laptop ruin your Dj career. We'll i did it and all problems gone. I have it set to the lowest latency and it runs like a champ. Real world experience and people don't listen because it's too expensive.
Irmgard Sandness
16.05.2013
I believe it's much more likely that you're having Windows issues, and the latency you're seeing would appear regardless of which interface you use. The S4 and the interface it contains are 100% Windows compatible.
Season Bergere
16.05.2013
No - a lot of users have latency issues. Despite trying all the fixes for this not everyone succeeds.
Lawana Spratlen
17.05.2013
There must be an issue with the machine you are running traktor on as the s4 certainly is Windows compatable. What version of Windows are u using?

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