New Setup
New Setup Posted on: 22.05.2013 by Sona Porcher Ok so my idea for my first setup after a year of just mouse and keyboard was to first invest in a launchpad and secondly a midi enabled mixer I had in mind (I was looking at behringer or something light on the pockets) . I was believeing the launchpad mainly for functionality and flexibility over other trigger finger types of hardware. I mainly dj psy-trance but also trance,house,electro etc. Also using Traktor as my software.My main question is from another dj's perspective would this be a good setup, I know mapping and everything would work but does it make sense? | |
| Kathe Stump 25.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by jhoward06
What you actually mean is that 99% of the time you see DJs getting caught doing this stuff (playing a pre-recorded set,) it's with CDJs. This is because CDJs the only way you can get caught, because the rest of us understand what you're doing with CDJs. You can't get caught faking it on an ableton set. In an ableton set, It's a sliding scale of how much you're doing. If it were possible to see that sliding scale, then we'd see that solidly 99% of ableton "djs" are doing massively less than CDJ DJs, even if the CDJ DJs are just transitioning. |
| Irwin Ney 25.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Stewe
Originally Posted by kamazii
This party was awesome! It was not crowdy because it was not the peak hour. Open Air parties in Brazil can go 24hours non stop... I will play a peak hour set in an Open Air this weekend, checkout the facebook event Psychedelic Soul: https://www.facebook.com/events/219788578158077 Before that I will play at Freak Reverse. My ambient will be an old basement, crazy as that https://www.facebook.com/events/424850370945778 |
| Irwin Ney 25.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by jhoward06
The only downside with the Xone K2 is the low volume output, It was really a pain at the start, but then I got used, it and made me pay more attention to volume outputs on the mixer at the setup time, a thing that I wasn't doing right before xone k2... But it's only the volume level, the sound quality is awesome! I could listen the difference between my old Numark DJIO and the Xone k2. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hylfe
It only has enough outputs to drive 2 of the mixer channels, therefore it is a 2 channel sound card. |
| Cora Younginer 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by octostout
I find it ironic you mention this but fail to mention the fact that 99% of the time you see producer-DJs doing this stuff it's with CDJs. Meaning.. that either way you go about it this exists and the median of gear is largely irrelevant. Your move sir. |
| Kellie Myrum 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
But seriously it's awesome set dude. Love the ambient and everything, it's a little crowd but true psyheads! |
| Abel Rogowski 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
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| Towanda Roads 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Don't listen to fools telling you that pushing buttons isn't djing because that is some bullshit. I have over 10 pages worth of control between two controllers. I know what I am doing because every single light on both controllers gives me feedback and I've memorized every function on every single button, fader, knob, and encoder on my setup. I have pitch and pitch bend, volume, key, gain, filter, eq , and full effect control on two controllers for 4 decks and that fits in a single backpack. Look into a few different mappings or make your own but don't listen to fools who tell you that pushing buttons isn't entertaining. Djing is about the music and sound that you create and the more control you have over whatever program your using the easier it will be to manipulate sound to your liking. |
| Traci Knolhoff 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by octostout
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| Len Lukawski 27.05.2013 | This is all good advice. I did however have some issues with the K2's audio interface on my Windows laptop. The control panel for it would not let me change the latency. Predictably, this issue did not exist on my Mac. Damn fine unit all the same. |
| Kellie Myrum 27.05.2013 | Made few Traktor mappings for CMD that will be up soon. Mapping friendly units |
| Janyce Henningson 27.05.2013 | Do you have a soundcard already? If not the K2 makes sense, but if you do the I would get the new MM-1 from Behringer - it's laid out like a mixer should be, just makes more sense to me personally. |
| Irwin Ney 27.05.2013 | Lets get back on the topic? Xone:K2 will treat you very well |
| Kathe Stump 25.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by jhoward06
What you actually mean is that 99% of the time you see DJs getting caught doing this stuff (playing a pre-recorded set,) it's with CDJs. This is because CDJs the only way you can get caught, because the rest of us understand what you're doing with CDJs. You can't get caught faking it on an ableton set. In an ableton set, It's a sliding scale of how much you're doing. If it were possible to see that sliding scale, then we'd see that solidly 99% of ableton "djs" are doing massively less than CDJ DJs, even if the CDJ DJs are just transitioning. |
| Irwin Ney 25.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Stewe
Originally Posted by kamazii
This party was awesome! It was not crowdy because it was not the peak hour. Open Air parties in Brazil can go 24hours non stop... I will play a peak hour set in an Open Air this weekend, checkout the facebook event Psychedelic Soul: https://www.facebook.com/events/219788578158077 Before that I will play at Freak Reverse. My ambient will be an old basement, crazy as that https://www.facebook.com/events/424850370945778 |
| Irwin Ney 25.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by jhoward06
The only downside with the Xone K2 is the low volume output, It was really a pain at the start, but then I got used, it and made me pay more attention to volume outputs on the mixer at the setup time, a thing that I wasn't doing right before xone k2... But it's only the volume level, the sound quality is awesome! I could listen the difference between my old Numark DJIO and the Xone k2. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hylfe
It only has enough outputs to drive 2 of the mixer channels, therefore it is a 2 channel sound card. |
| Cora Younginer 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by octostout
I find it ironic you mention this but fail to mention the fact that 99% of the time you see producer-DJs doing this stuff it's with CDJs. Meaning.. that either way you go about it this exists and the median of gear is largely irrelevant. Your move sir. |
| Sona Porcher 24.05.2013 | Don't listen to fools telling you that pushing buttons isn't djing because that is some bullshit. I have over 10 pages worth of control between two controllers. I know what I am doing because every single light on both controllers gives me feedback and I've memorized every function on every single button, fader, knob, and encoder on my setup. I have pitch and pitch bend, volume, key, gain, filter, eq , and full effect control on two controllers for 4 decks and that fits in a single backpack. Look into a few different mappings or make your own but don't listen to fools who tell you that pushing buttons isn't entertaining. Djing is about the music and sound that you create and the more control you have over whatever program your using the easier it will be to manipulate sound to your liking.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I saw this and already had the ddm4000 in mind so this is the setup i'm leaning towards. Even though the headphone jack is in a little of a weird place on the mixer I believe i'll get over it |
| Kellie Myrum 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
But seriously it's awesome set dude. Love the ambient and everything, it's a little crowd but true psyheads! |
| Abel Rogowski 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
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| Towanda Roads 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Don't listen to fools telling you that pushing buttons isn't djing because that is some bullshit. I have over 10 pages worth of control between two controllers. I know what I am doing because every single light on both controllers gives me feedback and I've memorized every function on every single button, fader, knob, and encoder on my setup. I have pitch and pitch bend, volume, key, gain, filter, eq , and full effect control on two controllers for 4 decks and that fits in a single backpack. Look into a few different mappings or make your own but don't listen to fools who tell you that pushing buttons isn't entertaining. Djing is about the music and sound that you create and the more control you have over whatever program your using the easier it will be to manipulate sound to your liking. |
| Kathe Stump 24.05.2013 | Valid. Some people aren't into it. I'm the far opposite extreme personally. I'm really into performance DJing, and I care more about how expressive the DJ is being than how good the music sounds. The state of the music scene right now is that all of the newbie kids in the crowd are towards your extreme, and all of the people who've been DJing for a while are on my side (which is funny, because I'm only 24), and they're the ones that book the events. So everyone kind of has to play our game, unless they're famous enough as a producer that they can skip it. I believe it needs to stay this way. Otherwise, we will end up with EVERYONE just pushing play while we watch them bounce up and down in front of their light show. That's already how the top tier works, and it's stupid as hell. |
| Traci Knolhoff 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by octostout
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| Kathe Stump 24.05.2013 | To each his own, but I always believe people are making a mistake buying a setup like that when they first start. If your dream is to play in front of people, then you're going to have to either get famous for producing, or learn how to DJ in the traditional fashion with jog wheels. It's not great, but that's how the scene works. People don't get booked for real gigs to push buttons in a grid. This is largely because unless you're doing something nobody would ever book you to do live anyways (unless you're a famous producer,) like silly Madeon-style pretend-finger-drumming, or jumping between ten pieces of gear at once to control loops like ritchie hawtin, a setup like that is incredibly boring to watch. Check out the video V hoff posted. To each his own, and maybe some people would like that, but most people would have no interest in watching someone perform like that. Yeah sure part of it is that that guy's not doing much, but even if he were, the bigger issue is just that on a setup that small and non-traditional, everything you reach out to do looks the same. It just looks like you're occasionally tweaking something. This is why CDJs and Turntables are still standard. It's entertaining to watch a DJ tap the beat on a huge cue button on a CDJ, then mash the play button on the one, then turn the platter and move the pitch fader around intently, then move over to the mixer and start moving faders and knobs. When the sound changes, you know why, and you saw what he did to get it to that point. It looks like he's focusing on something and doing work, you can identify what he's doing. When a dude just stands over a little controller like a K2 or a launchpad and a mixer and presses a couple of buttons on a grid every now and then to get a track playing, you don't notice. All you see is him reaching and and moving a knob every once and a while and the sound changes. You have no idea what's going on. Unless you're content with the bedroom DJ thing, I honestly suggest you look into a setup with jogs and pitch faders. No, you don't need them to play, yes they are superfluous, but you need them to entertain people, and you need to practice using them to entertain people before you start doing it. |
| Cora Younginer 24.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by V-Hoff
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| Alphonso Deitchman 25.05.2013 | The K2 is a 2 channel sound card, with 4 mono outputs. |
| Irwin Ney 24.05.2013 | Xone K2 mate! Look my video on youtube playing psytrance only with my xone k2 (internal mixer). I can share you my mapping if you want. Basically is a NI x1 with internal mixing controls. Two faders for dry wets FX1, FX2 and two faders for volume control Deck A, B |
| Towanda Roads 23.05.2013 | Xone K2. It comes with a 4 channel soundcard and can be a fully mapped 4 channel mixer. I use a launchpad and a K2 as my current rig and it is wonderful the amount of control I have in traktor is great and since everything is usb powered it is super portable. |
| Sona Porcher 23.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by 4eoN
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| Doreen Schurle 23.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJEuforiske
I've heard conflicting stories with regards to the M70s build quality, but then again its relatively cheap so for me would be acceptable as a "bang for your buck" kinda compromise. |
| Stefanie Aldaco 23.05.2013 | You could use a Korg nanoKontrol2 as a MIDI-mixer, its good and cheap. Would be a nice first setup in my opinion.^^ e.g.: You can map those faders as volume and EQ-control and the knobs to some FX parameters or something like that, its to your imagination^^ I had a NOX404 (Behringer), it's okay, as long as you keep it at home. The knobs and faders aren't that tight, crapy FX-section, its a "battle-mixer" anyways... |
| Brunilda Kora 23.05.2013 | What would you use the LP for? |
| Kellie Myrum 23.05.2013 | Sounds pretty nice to me mate. If you're good with out a jog wheel this is just great for your first setup. |
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