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Ableton Push or APC80? Posted on: 31.05.2013 by Georgie Cardelli I've used Ableton Live for about five years and got an APC40 about six months ago. It was a miracle to my workflow and opened up a world of live performance possibilities. Recently I have found myself in a musical rut and wanting something more creative out of my home studio. Well as luck would have it, the other day I came across an old check I hadn't cashed. Now I'm in the market for a new piece of hardware but need some advice. I've had my eye on constructing an APC80 (picture below) for a long time. http://murphy2dot0.files.wordpress.c...1/02/apc80.jpg I've never constructed my own gear , and as a DIY kind of guy, the concept appeals to me. Just the sheer amount of buttons and size of the hardware makes it into a live performance monster, with somewhat increased functionality in the studio. I believe the personal connection to the device would be well worth the effort. My girlfriend is begging me to get Push, saying that building the APC80 is like putting gold plates on a broken toilet. In the studio, I could really utilize a drum pad and means to input velocity sensitive note data. For a while I've been looking at different drum machines, midi keyboards, drum machines with midi keyboards, you get the picture. Just recently I realized that what I'm trying to find is something to take me deeper into the realm of "controllerism". I'm on the edge about it because coming from a classical background, my compositions can get quite technical, and I worry Ableton Push may limit me. Most Push beats have a tendency to seem repetitive and lacking because it seems strongly oriented to on-the-fly beat creation, which is good, but I ultimately want something both playable that is also a serious "studio tool", not just a fun gimmick. I found this site, and this community , from Mad Zach's Ableton Push demo on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-B_m3Kpwic He creates some great sounds with the thing, totally inspired, but in most videos he primarily seems to resort back to his trusty midi fighter to work with his material. So my question to you all is... Should I invest in Ableton Push, build my own APC80, OR would you recommend another controller? (Midi Fighter, etc.) Any input would be great. Thanks guys, first post. Woo!
Nereida Jasnoch 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I meant I hate using ableton drum racks in general I don't know, the fact that you can drag an EQ 8 or any device really on a single sample in the rack really easy makes it very powerful and intuitive IMO. I just really like live's workflow.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I meant I hate using ableton drum racks in general What do you use Xone out of curiosity? I havent found any real benefit over the years of using something like Kontakt, Battery etc.. just another vst and window to have to look at for me, with the same basic sample editing controls i need. If theres something better id use it. But I guess with the push, really not having to interact with abletons interface at all and just the controller makes it even more of a blessing to me to use
Shawn Vanhaitsma 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by MyUsername Yeah, push seems pretty good, just not for that steep price. But is this true ? seems a bit odd you can't step sequence your own drum racks ? Currently yes you can only control ableton drum racks... What drum racks were you wanting to control? Battery or something? The push is really designed for working with... Ableton. As I use alot of analog gear, and for drums.. I figured most of us used samples? So i dont need anything more than ableton drum rack.. (As it also makes it easy to find sounds as you can easily flip through b anks too etc) Much of this will change Im sure as Ableton expands its initial support. But auto mapping to several different developers products is not an easy task.
Romelia Stankard 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by MyUsername Yeah, push seems pretty good, just not for that steep price. But is this true ? seems a bit odd you can't step sequence your own drum racks ? I meant I hate using ableton drum racks in general
Shawn Vanhaitsma 03.06.2013	Originally Posted by botstein I agree. I own both, and I enjoy the push much more for the studio.. as a live tool they work great together. It all comes down to a matter of taste really. People make midi controllers with fruit for god sakes... in the end its only to satisfy our gear lust lol
Nereida Jasnoch 03.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Push can do some of that sequencing but then you are stuck using ableton drum racks which I hate. Yeah, push seems pretty good, just not for that steep price. But is this true ? seems a bit odd you can't step sequence your own drum racks ?
Ervin Calvery 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I would also rather have maschine over it if you were looking for a controller/software combo. I agree.
Romelia Stankard 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by botstein I'm dubious about the idea of Push as a serious studio tool. Yeah honestly I believe both are kind of a waste. Push is slightly better but I could believe of a lot better stuff to spend $600 on for studio stuff- I believe most controllers are overrated when it comes to being useful as production tools. You can get some nice actual synths and other instruments for that price. I would also rather have maschine over it if you were looking for a controller/software combo. Push can do some of that sequencing but then you are stuck using ableton drum racks which I hate.
Georgie Lukowiak 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by Shoulders but I ultimately want something both playable that is also a serious "studio tool", not just a fun gimmick. Then go for the Ableton Push
Ervin Calvery 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by Shoulders I've used Ableton Live for about five years and got an APC40 about six months ago. It was a miracle to my workflow and opened up a world of live performance possibilities. Recently I have found myself in a musical rut and wanting something more creative out of my home studio. Well as luck would have it, the other day I came across an old check I hadn't cashed. Now I'm in the market for a new piece of hardware but need some advice. I've had my eye on constructing an APC80 (picture below) for a long time. http://murphy2dot0.files.wordpress.c...1/02/apc80.jpg I've never constructed my own gear , and as a DIY kind of guy, the concept appeals to me. Just the sheer amount of buttons and size of the hardware makes it into a live performance monster, with somewhat increased functionality in the studio. I believe the personal connection to the device would be well worth the effort. My girlfriend is begging me to get Push, saying that building the APC80 is like putting gold plates on a broken toilet. In the studio, I could really utilize a drum pad and means to input velocity sensitive note data. For a while I've been looking at different drum machines, midi keyboards, drum machines with midi keyboards, you get the picture. Just recently I realized that what I'm trying to find is something to take me deeper into the realm of "controllerism". I'm on the edge about it because coming from a classical background, my compositions can get quite technical, and I worry Ableton Push may limit me. Most Push beats have a tendency to seem repetitive and lacking because it seems strongly oriented to on-the-fly beat creation, which is good, but I ultimately want something both playable that is also a serious "studio tool", not just a fun gimmick. I found this site, and this community , from Mad Zach's Ableton Push demo on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-B_m3Kpwic He creates some great sounds with the thing, totally inspired, but in most videos he primarily seems to resort back to his trusty midi fighter to work with his material. So my question to you all is... Should I invest in Ableton Push, build my own APC80, OR would you recommend another controller? (Midi Fighter, etc.) Any input would be great. Thanks guys, first post. Woo! Hi there, welcome to DJTT. Take a look at QuNeo - it has several more dimensions of expression than some of the products you mentioned (velocity, pressure, X/Y) and can be used as both a drum pad and clip launch (red box) controller. I also usually recommend Maschine, which I would definitely consider a serious studio tool. It has a nice integration with Live, too, which includes many of Push' functions (coloured scales, etc). If you decide to go for a larger grid, why not go for one of the original grid controllers (http://monome.org/)? I've owned an APC40 for a long time now and haven't found myself wanting more than one (or an APC80). Lots of controllers can function like the APC40, and I've found that I like using these motorized faders instead of the wimpy ones on the APC.
Georgie Cardelli 31.05.2013	I've used Ableton Live for about five years and got an APC40 about six months ago. It was a miracle to my workflow and opened up a world of live performance possibilities. Recently I have found myself in a musical rut and wanting something more creative out of my home studio. Well as luck would have it, the other day I came across an old check I hadn't cashed. Now I'm in the market for a new piece of hardware but need some advice. I've had my eye on constructing an APC80 (picture below) for a long time. http://murphy2dot0.files.wordpress.c...1/02/apc80.jpg I've never constructed my own gear , and as a DIY kind of guy, the concept appeals to me. Just the sheer amount of buttons and size of the hardware makes it into a live performance monster, with somewhat increased functionality in the studio. I believe the personal connection to the device would be well worth the effort. My girlfriend is begging me to get Push, saying that building the APC80 is like putting gold plates on a broken toilet. In the studio, I could really utilize a drum pad and means to input velocity sensitive note data. For a while I've been looking at different drum machines, midi keyboards, drum machines with midi keyboards, you get the picture. Just recently I realized that what I'm trying to find is something to take me deeper into the realm of "controllerism". I'm on the edge about it because coming from a classical background, my compositions can get quite technical, and I worry Ableton Push may limit me. Most Push beats have a tendency to seem repetitive and lacking because it seems strongly oriented to on-the-fly beat creation, which is good, but I ultimately want something both playable that is also a serious "studio tool", not just a fun gimmick. I found this site, and this community , from Mad Zach's Ableton Push demo on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-B_m3Kpwic He creates some great sounds with the thing, totally inspired, but in most videos he primarily seems to resort back to his trusty midi fighter to work with his material. So my question to you all is... Should I invest in Ableton Push, build my own APC80, OR would you recommend another controller? (Midi Fighter, etc.) Any input would be great. Thanks guys, first post. Woo!
Darrick Kroah 04.06.2013	I'm not sure if the APC80 is going to add much to your workflow. If you want a creative boost, you should go for a Push. Coming from a classical background as well, I believe the velocity sensitivity and after touch will allow you to express more creatively.
Nereida Jasnoch 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I meant I hate using ableton drum racks in general I don't know, the fact that you can drag an EQ 8 or any device really on a single sample in the rack really easy makes it very powerful and intuitive IMO. I just really like live's workflow.
Romelia Stankard 04.06.2013	I use maschine mostly and drag and drop to audio. Can't really beat the organization of sounds and speed of trying out a ton of different samples.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I meant I hate using ableton drum racks in general What do you use Xone out of curiosity? I havent found any real benefit over the years of using something like Kontakt, Battery etc.. just another vst and window to have to look at for me, with the same basic sample editing controls i need. If theres something better id use it. But I guess with the push, really not having to interact with abletons interface at all and just the controller makes it even more of a blessing to me to use
Shawn Vanhaitsma 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by MyUsername Yeah, push seems pretty good, just not for that steep price. But is this true ? seems a bit odd you can't step sequence your own drum racks ? Currently yes you can only control ableton drum racks... What drum racks were you wanting to control? Battery or something? The push is really designed for working with... Ableton. As I use alot of analog gear, and for drums.. I figured most of us used samples? So i dont need anything more than ableton drum rack.. (As it also makes it easy to find sounds as you can easily flip through b anks too etc) Much of this will change Im sure as Ableton expands its initial support. But auto mapping to several different developers products is not an easy task.
Romelia Stankard 04.06.2013	Originally Posted by MyUsername Yeah, push seems pretty good, just not for that steep price. But is this true ? seems a bit odd you can't step sequence your own drum racks ? I meant I hate using ableton drum racks in general
Shawn Vanhaitsma 03.06.2013	Originally Posted by botstein I agree. I own both, and I enjoy the push much more for the studio.. as a live tool they work great together. It all comes down to a matter of taste really. People make midi controllers with fruit for god sakes... in the end its only to satisfy our gear lust lol
Nereida Jasnoch 03.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Push can do some of that sequencing but then you are stuck using ableton drum racks which I hate. Yeah, push seems pretty good, just not for that steep price. But is this true ? seems a bit odd you can't step sequence your own drum racks ?
Ervin Calvery 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by Xonetacular I would also rather have maschine over it if you were looking for a controller/software combo. I agree.
Romelia Stankard 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by botstein I'm dubious about the idea of Push as a serious studio tool. Yeah honestly I believe both are kind of a waste. Push is slightly better but I could believe of a lot better stuff to spend $600 on for studio stuff- I believe most controllers are overrated when it comes to being useful as production tools. You can get some nice actual synths and other instruments for that price. I would also rather have maschine over it if you were looking for a controller/software combo. Push can do some of that sequencing but then you are stuck using ableton drum racks which I hate.
Ervin Calvery 02.06.2013	I'm dubious about the idea of Push as a serious studio tool.
Iraida Bonaventure 02.06.2013	I would also look at the Livid Base as well.
Georgie Lukowiak 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by Shoulders but I ultimately want something both playable that is also a serious "studio tool", not just a fun gimmick. Then go for the Ableton Push
Ervin Calvery 02.06.2013	Originally Posted by Shoulders I've used Ableton Live for about five years and got an APC40 about six months ago. It was a miracle to my workflow and opened up a world of live performance possibilities. Recently I have found myself in a musical rut and wanting something more creative out of my home studio. Well as luck would have it, the other day I came across an old check I hadn't cashed. Now I'm in the market for a new piece of hardware but need some advice. I've had my eye on constructing an APC80 (picture below) for a long time. http://murphy2dot0.files.wordpress.c...1/02/apc80.jpg I've never constructed my own gear , and as a DIY kind of guy, the concept appeals to me. Just the sheer amount of buttons and size of the hardware makes it into a live performance monster, with somewhat increased functionality in the studio. I believe the personal connection to the device would be well worth the effort. My girlfriend is begging me to get Push, saying that building the APC80 is like putting gold plates on a broken toilet. In the studio, I could really utilize a drum pad and means to input velocity sensitive note data. For a while I've been looking at different drum machines, midi keyboards, drum machines with midi keyboards, you get the picture. Just recently I realized that what I'm trying to find is something to take me deeper into the realm of "controllerism". I'm on the edge about it because coming from a classical background, my compositions can get quite technical, and I worry Ableton Push may limit me. Most Push beats have a tendency to seem repetitive and lacking because it seems strongly oriented to on-the-fly beat creation, which is good, but I ultimately want something both playable that is also a serious "studio tool", not just a fun gimmick. I found this site, and this community , from Mad Zach's Ableton Push demo on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-B_m3Kpwic He creates some great sounds with the thing, totally inspired, but in most videos he primarily seems to resort back to his trusty midi fighter to work with his material. So my question to you all is... Should I invest in Ableton Push, build my own APC80, OR would you recommend another controller? (Midi Fighter, etc.) Any input would be great. Thanks guys, first post. Woo! Hi there, welcome to DJTT. Take a look at QuNeo - it has several more dimensions of expression than some of the products you mentioned (velocity, pressure, X/Y) and can be used as both a drum pad and clip launch (red box) controller. I also usually recommend Maschine, which I would definitely consider a serious studio tool. It has a nice integration with Live, too, which includes many of Push' functions (coloured scales, etc). If you decide to go for a larger grid, why not go for one of the original grid controllers (http://monome.org/)? I've owned an APC40 for a long time now and haven't found myself wanting more than one (or an APC80). Lots of controllers can function like the APC40, and I've found that I like using these motorized faders instead of the wimpy ones on the APC.
Romelia Stankard 02.06.2013	the apc80s always looked pretty pointless especially for a home studio not sure what you expect to get out of even more clip launching buttons, I don't see much use for even an apc40 outside maybe a live setting. when I had an apc40 I found it pretty useless as a production tool and was more of an interference than valuable to my workflow.
Gaynell Rydberg 02.06.2013	If you're coming from a classical background then why not just get a keyboard? The Push is definitely a serious studio tool. I'm from a classical background as well, but I would love to have a Push just because I'm lazy and it's nice to be able to just mash pads and it'll sound alright.
Ada Matzkin 02.06.2013	i use an apc40 and love it but if i could lay my hands on a push, id do it.

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