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Gemini G4V or Behringer CMD studio?
Posted on: 16.07.2013 by Sherell Hubiak
I'm looking to purchase a new controller. Which would you go with.... the behringer CMD studio or the Gemini G4V which isnt out yet, but hopefully soon. They are the 2 budget controller i've seen and liked.
Kellie Myrum
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Our definition of "advanced" differs somewhat to others' mate
I call advanced everything that goes beyond factory map that unit comes layered with. And that 4A seems to have some I.G. effects going on so I'd like to see how did they implement this in layout and still hold of the 4 Deck functionality.

Or they made just 2 decks and use other two channels for effects for each side.
Doreen Schurle
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
You sure about that?



But seriously, I still haven't seen that advanced mapping for the 4A that you have mentioned in one of webinars far as I remember.. Also the DC-1 > MF tsi.

Any videos soon?
Our definition of "advanced" differs somewhat to others' mate
Malorie Grella
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Isn't that quite large amount of controls to start messing mappings with out the actual unit?

And yes, I was referring to CNTRL series. Good to know!
Yeah the CNTRL series vs the G(2/4)V is far and away completely different beasts inside and out.
I didn't say we are using ALL the possible modifiers, just saying we made it an option for the super tweaker.
Kellie Myrum
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by nem0nic
I might be mistaken, but I believe that the Studio 4a already has a Traktor mapping...
You sure about that?



But seriously, I still haven't seen that advanced mapping for the 4A that you have mentioned in one of webinars far as I remember.. Also the DC-1 > MF tsi.

Any videos soon?
Doreen Schurle
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Send it back? Who will fix any possible bugs and update that mapping later on
Ah yes, a very good point sir!
Doreen Schurle
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Gemini
We are open to having even more mappings supplied with things like instant gratification style things on the the pads. The 4 buttons below the pads each have a shift and are used as modifiers so technically you can map the pads to do 8 different layers.

I have the midi table available if someone wants to take a jab at mapping without the actual unit .

Thanks,
Gemini
I'm more than happy to put together an effects-heavy Traktor mapping for the G4V/G2V, but there's no way I'd even attempt something like that without a unit to work with lol. Pay for the return shipping cost and I'll even send it back to you in one piece when I'm finished :P
Kellie Myrum
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by str1ct9
And so it begins. Mapping before the product. Hell, get a good pic of it and at least the blueprinting could be done.
Not attempting to create mapping for this controller but some ideas are coming. Don't really like that jog wheels for that side shapes...

Knowing some Gemini controllers I wouldn't be surprised if they implement some HID functions making those controls impossible to map in other software that's not coming in the box.
Kellie Myrum
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
You know I WAS specifically including adding things like Super FX and predetermined Gater/Beatmashers to each pad etc, right? :P Tbh it'd probably take longer than hour just because of the sheer number of commands which have to be added to map something of that size WITH effects.
Like 45 min max. Add all transport and FX for A and C at one side of controller then duplicate device and remap it for B and D - for me personally the double focus solution overcome the A/C B/D switching limitation.

Already see how I should map this controller but I wonder if the firmware handle shift or page selector via MIDI channels... That could change game a bit. I like how 4A does it in firmware just like that and if G4V supports only flat mappings the 4A got much more mapping potential.
Doreen Schurle
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
I use traktor more than ten years now and for that time I made over 500 mappings that I can use as templates for remapping but I didn't refer to that here :P
You know I WAS specifically including adding things like Super FX and predetermined Gater/Beatmashers to each pad etc, right? :P Tbh it'd probably take longer than hour just because of the sheer number of commands which have to be added to map something of that size WITH effects.
Kellie Myrum
31.07.2013		I agree that minority of CMD users would not go for a bit advanced functionality right out of box, but being fresh give this controllers some time to evolve and you'll see the results. You could tell the same for BCD, Mixtrack and other entry level gear - check out the mappings at Traktorbible site and you'll see what I mean.

But again, I understand your policy that CMD is looking only toward beginner who will find some basic control surface more that enough to start swimming. See them after they beat the boss on first level of that video game
Diogo Dj Dragão
30.07.2013		No, the mapping I did for the 4a has no instant grat anything. The purpose of stock mappings like that is to provide the user with a starting point for understanding the product. Doing something like using decks C and D for effects control is a fun idea for the 1% of people who would understand it, but it would alienate the other 99% of users that bought it as their first controller and are just learning. it's like how the first level of a video game is usually just there to teach you how to play that video game.

That said, it wouldn't be hard to implement some modifier based funkiness into a 4a mapping while keeping the 4 deck functionality, because the deck switching is accomplished in the firmware and not with a modifier. So if you (for instance) used the DEL button to set a modifier, you could drive 4 different modifiers (or set 4 values within a single modifier).
Kellie Myrum
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Our definition of "advanced" differs somewhat to others' mate
I call advanced everything that goes beyond factory map that unit comes layered with. And that 4A seems to have some I.G. effects going on so I'd like to see how did they implement this in layout and still hold of the 4 Deck functionality.

Or they made just 2 decks and use other two channels for effects for each side.
Doreen Schurle
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
You sure about that?



But seriously, I still haven't seen that advanced mapping for the 4A that you have mentioned in one of webinars far as I remember.. Also the DC-1 > MF tsi.

Any videos soon?
Our definition of "advanced" differs somewhat to others' mate
Malorie Grella
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Isn't that quite large amount of controls to start messing mappings with out the actual unit?

And yes, I was referring to CNTRL series. Good to know!
Yeah the CNTRL series vs the G(2/4)V is far and away completely different beasts inside and out.
I didn't say we are using ALL the possible modifiers, just saying we made it an option for the super tweaker.
Kellie Myrum
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by nem0nic
I might be mistaken, but I believe that the Studio 4a already has a Traktor mapping...
You sure about that?



But seriously, I still haven't seen that advanced mapping for the 4A that you have mentioned in one of webinars far as I remember.. Also the DC-1 > MF tsi.

Any videos soon?
Diogo Dj Dragão
30.07.2013		I might be mistaken, but I believe that the Studio 4a already has a Traktor mapping...
Doreen Schurle
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Send it back? Who will fix any possible bugs and update that mapping later on
Ah yes, a very good point sir!
Kellie Myrum
30.07.2013		Send it back? Who will fix any possible bugs and update that mapping later on
Doreen Schurle
30.07.2013
Originally Posted by Gemini
We are open to having even more mappings supplied with things like instant gratification style things on the the pads. The 4 buttons below the pads each have a shift and are used as modifiers so technically you can map the pads to do 8 different layers.

I have the midi table available if someone wants to take a jab at mapping without the actual unit .

Thanks,
Gemini
I'm more than happy to put together an effects-heavy Traktor mapping for the G4V/G2V, but there's no way I'd even attempt something like that without a unit to work with lol. Pay for the return shipping cost and I'll even send it back to you in one piece when I'm finished :P
Kellie Myrum
30.07.2013		Isn't that quite large amount of controls to start messing mappings with out the actual unit?

And yes, I was referring to CNTRL series. Good to know!
Malorie Grella
29.07.2013		Hi Guys,

You're referring to our early controllers the Gemini CNTRL series and the original Firstmix.
Beyond that any new products such as CDJ-700 or CDMP-7000 or Firstmix pro contain 100% midi and can be mapped any which way you want. We are actually working on 2 sweet Traktor mappings. 1 containing a true 4 deck set up and the other with 2+2 remix decks.

We are open to having even more mappings supplied with things like instant gratification style things on the the pads. The 4 buttons below the pads each have a shift and are used as modifiers so technically you can map the pads to do 8 different layers.

I have the midi table available if someone wants to take a jab at mapping without the actual unit .

Thanks,
Gemini
Kellie Myrum
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by str1ct9
And so it begins. Mapping before the product. Hell, get a good pic of it and at least the blueprinting could be done.
Not attempting to create mapping for this controller but some ideas are coming. Don't really like that jog wheels for that side shapes...

Knowing some Gemini controllers I wouldn't be surprised if they implement some HID functions making those controls impossible to map in other software that's not coming in the box.
Iraida Jeppsen
20.07.2013		And so it begins. Mapping before the product. Hell, get a good pic of it and at least the blueprinting could be done.
Kellie Myrum
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
You know I WAS specifically including adding things like Super FX and predetermined Gater/Beatmashers to each pad etc, right? :P Tbh it'd probably take longer than hour just because of the sheer number of commands which have to be added to map something of that size WITH effects.
Like 45 min max. Add all transport and FX for A and C at one side of controller then duplicate device and remap it for B and D - for me personally the double focus solution overcome the A/C B/D switching limitation.

Already see how I should map this controller but I wonder if the firmware handle shift or page selector via MIDI channels... That could change game a bit. I like how 4A does it in firmware just like that and if G4V supports only flat mappings the 4A got much more mapping potential.
Doreen Schurle
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
I use traktor more than ten years now and for that time I made over 500 mappings that I can use as templates for remapping but I didn't refer to that here :P
You know I WAS specifically including adding things like Super FX and predetermined Gater/Beatmashers to each pad etc, right? :P Tbh it'd probably take longer than hour just because of the sheer number of commands which have to be added to map something of that size WITH effects.
Kellie Myrum
20.07.2013		I use traktor more than ten years now and for that time I made over 500 mappings that I can use as templates for remapping but I didn't refer to that here :P
Doreen Schurle
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
That long... Really
Haha, I map everything from scratch rather than using templates. If Traktor supported an actual scripting language rather than just clicking to add functions, it'd be a piece of cake and MUCH better.
Kellie Myrum
20.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Buy one, send it to me, and I'll have it mapped within the hour.
That long... Really
Iraida Jeppsen
19.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Buy one, send it to me, and I'll have it mapped within the hour.
I saw what you did there. Still not a bad price.
Doreen Schurle
19.07.2013
Originally Posted by str1ct9
I believe they were saying it's gonna run in the $399 range for the G4V. Figure DJTT or someone will come up with Traktor mapping within the first 24 hours.
Buy one, send it to me, and I'll have it mapped within the hour.
Iraida Jeppsen
19.07.2013		I believe they were saying it's gonna run in the $399 range for the G4V. Figure DJTT or someone will come up with Traktor mapping within the first 24 hours.
Janyce Henningson
17.07.2013		The Gemini is twice the RRP of the Behringer - but looks much better imo.
Hellen Mindrup
16.07.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
The G4V looks sick. Has the right knob configuration for Traktor FX, 3-band EQ + Gain + Filter (could also be used as 4-band EQ + Filter in Traktor). If it comes out at a reasonable price, I'd buy that any day.
Looks a bit shaky already in the pics, Gemini/10
Doreen Schurle
16.07.2013		The G4V looks sick. Has the right knob configuration for Traktor FX, 3-band EQ + Gain + Filter (could also be used as 4-band EQ + Filter in Traktor). If it comes out at a reasonable price, I'd buy that any day.

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