Problems syncing Traktor and Ableton -> Traktor Audio 10
Problems syncing Traktor and Ableton -> Traktor Audio 10 Posted on: 03.02.2013 by Randall Finken Hi,I tried now a whole day to get rid of my actual problem syncing Traktor (2.6) and Ableton (latest). The problem is on a Macbook Pro Retina and on a actual iMac.. I have setup everything with Jack-Pilot, tried later also Soundflower, but the same.. 4 Channels are routed from Traktor through Ableton and that works fine. But if I want want to sync both, it is not possible, as the offset drifts. That means the metronome of both are matched I start with -35 ms delay in Ableton. Ok, fine so far. But after a minute the metronomes are not in sync anymore, I have to readjust the delay. After around 10 minutes the delay is at +100 ms an still drifting. If I match the metronomes manually, the same is happening, it seems, Ableton is running at another speed. Next I ran both on the Audio 10 on the same channel, metronomes are in sync, no problem. Made the routing again and selected the internal audio device of the Macbook/iMac, after 30 minutes still in sync. If I add the the Audio 10, the signal starts drifting again.. Buffer in Traktor is set to 512 and in Ableton the same. If I would change the buffer in Ableton to 64 samples it seems the problem is gone (at least I tested it only for 10 Minutes), but the I have glitches, drop outs and so on, if I run some tracks and using effects.. iMac is two weeks old and the Macbook was freshly installed (not from a backup) also 2 weeks ago, because of graphic-problems (got a new logic board a week ago). Something I do not understand: how can a signal drift? I would understand if the BPM is different, but they are both at 126, if I match it manually, so the must be in sync.. That is really confusing, so maybe someone can explain that? Many thanks in advance! brasax | |
| Randall Finken 12.01.2014 | I tried Traktor Virtual Midi.. It is not working for me. Same with Maschine. After 5-15 minutes the signal drifts.. |
| Nancey Inderlied 12.01.2014 | If you're on a Mac, just use Traktor Virtual MIDI to bus the signal between the two. Jack is an abomination and Soundflower is more geared towards raw audio. If you can't get the desired results with the native bussing, then you're probably at the limits of Ableton's clock following skills. |
| Randall Finken 12.01.2014 | I'm on a Mac, but I believe it is quite a similar problem.. I tried nearly everything with sync, beside the posted ones.. Is it really Ableton? As I tried it with Jack, the sync was lasting 5 minutes and with soundflower around 15 minutes, so I thought it is a problem with this solutions and the internal routing.. Both ways, means it does not matter who was master.. |
| Nancey Inderlied 12.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by brasax
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| Randall Finken 12.01.2014 | I still have the problem.. As I have the NI Audio 10 there is maybe a solution I'm believeing about. The Audio 10 has a MIDI I/O so if I use Traktor to send the MIDI clock and rout it through the Audio 10, means using a midi cable to plug it in the In and Out and tell Ableton to use the signal from the Audio 10.. Did someone try this? Maybe the signal is then more stable as there is no virtual midi running.. I will give it a try.. Another idea I had was to use a external midi clock and plug it to the Audio 10, but is it possible that Traktor and Ableton using the signal at the same time? Cheers, brasax |
| Lu Frangione 02.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by brasax
they must have a custom designed solution for this... probably made by richies company's Liine tech-geniuses? would be awesome if Ean ressurected the HOW I PLAY series interviewing one of these guys and bringing up this specific question |
| Maile Dekerlegand 04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
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| Randall Finken 03.02.2013 | Hi, I tried now a whole day to get rid of my actual problem syncing Traktor (2.6) and Ableton (latest). The problem is on a Macbook Pro Retina and on a actual iMac.. I have setup everything with Jack-Pilot, tried later also Soundflower, but the same.. 4 Channels are routed from Traktor through Ableton and that works fine. But if I want want to sync both, it is not possible, as the offset drifts. That means the metronome of both are matched I start with -35 ms delay in Ableton. Ok, fine so far. But after a minute the metronomes are not in sync anymore, I have to readjust the delay. After around 10 minutes the delay is at +100 ms an still drifting. If I match the metronomes manually, the same is happening, it seems, Ableton is running at another speed. Next I ran both on the Audio 10 on the same channel, metronomes are in sync, no problem. Made the routing again and selected the internal audio device of the Macbook/iMac, after 30 minutes still in sync. If I add the the Audio 10, the signal starts drifting again.. Buffer in Traktor is set to 512 and in Ableton the same. If I would change the buffer in Ableton to 64 samples it seems the problem is gone (at least I tested it only for 10 Minutes), but the I have glitches, drop outs and so on, if I run some tracks and using effects.. iMac is two weeks old and the Macbook was freshly installed (not from a backup) also 2 weeks ago, because of graphic-problems (got a new logic board a week ago). Something I do not understand: how can a signal drift? I would understand if the BPM is different, but they are both at 126, if I match it manually, so the must be in sync.. That is really confusing, so maybe someone can explain that? Many thanks in advance! brasax |
| Lu Frangione 02.08.2013 |
Originally Posted by brasax
they must have a custom designed solution for this... probably made by richies company's Liine tech-geniuses? would be awesome if Ean ressurected the HOW I PLAY series interviewing one of these guys and bringing up this specific question |
| Randall Finken 06.02.2013 | The problem occurs in both direction. What I have seen, Copperlan makes the Midi sync more accurate as the others. Before the BPM was changing by +-0.10 up and down, with Copperlan it stays at 126. But it does not fix the problem.. Any other ideas? I'm giving up. The RME has the same problem. So I made a new partition, installed only Traktor, Ableton and Jack, but still the same.. |
| Randall Finken 05.02.2013 | I tried it also, but only with the Virtual I/O and had the same issue. The metronomes running out of sync. I will give it a try again with IAC and Copperlan in the other direction (Ableton -> Traktor).. @DennisHuiberts What Macbook are you using? Which sound card was it? |
| Neal Rayome 05.02.2013 | I had this problem also on my MacBook Pro but running a different soundcard. What helped for me was to set Ableton as master and Traktor as slave AND to use the IAC bus (which you can set up in Audio/Midi Setup) instead of the Traktor Virtual Midi port. The Traktor port was really giving me issues. |
| Randall Finken 05.02.2013 | I do not believe it is the Midi-sync itself, I believe it is the Audio 10. As long as the Audio 10 is not selected in Ableton it is running fine. For my understanding, the latency should be a fixed value, but in my case it is not. I can sync the metronomes again and again, the value is going up. I also tried to manually sync Traktor and Ableton, set both to 126 bpm, the metronomes getting out of sync and this should not happen. It seems that Ableton is running at another speed for any reason if the Audio 10 is selected. With the internal sound card no problem.. It seems Midi sync is not the problem.. If I attach the Audio 10, the problem is coming up. Tested also an Audio 2 DJ and had the same problem. A friend of mine will give me a RME interface and then I will recheck.. Maybe it is a USB 3.0 Problem? The Macbook and iMac have only USB 3.0. If I have some time (and the mood) I can also recheck on an older Macbook with USB 2.0 and recheck. I contacted already the NI support. |
| Nancey Inderlied 04.02.2013 | If youre using a Mac, just use the Traktor Virtual MIDI I/O to bridge the two, on Windows, manually looping the DIN MIDI slots on the Audio 10 also works. From there, set Traktor to slave to Ableton, Ableton is horrendous at following a clock (it hates being told what to do). With the Traktor Virtual MIDI, dialing in latency is a lot easier, and there's a lot less of it vs random 3rd party GPL virtual signal patch. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 04.02.2013 | I'm not getting any drift with Copperlan, or really few if I drop/raise the BPM in one shot. No real need to resync as of yet with Copperlan. Less cable, more flexibility and my computer are always on a network for "media" sharing purpose anyways. 'till now, latency is tad better than with regular hardware cable. Copperlan's interface is also really intuitive vs the other I tried. |
| Latoria Kavulich 04.02.2013 | moved. |
| Maile Dekerlegand 04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
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| Randall Finken 04.02.2013 | I tried it, but also not working. I'm doing this on only one machine.. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 03.02.2013 | You need to run the application on each machine you want to connect together. however once your setup is done, you don't need to run the application each time, it runs in background as a driver. One one computer you have Ableton/Maschine, on another Traktor you can even have another computer with only MIDI controller attached to it if you you like to. Each computer es connected to your hub/switch.. pretty much it. Yeah their website doesn't say mch, but download the app and check the PDF. It looks complicated when you first open it but once you get it, it couldn't be more simple. |
| Randall Finken 03.02.2013 | Thanks for your reply. Are you using it on only one machine? Or two? I've checked the website, but is not really clear to me at the moment.. How is your setup looking like then? Edit: Tried it, but no success. Each way is not working. I believe the problem is the audio interface.. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 03.02.2013 | Ableton is a bit of a pain if you use it a slave. Do it the way round. Using Ableton to send the Midi clock to Traktor seems to solve most problems. From Traktor to Maschine... no Problem, From Traktor to Traktor either. To route your MIDI clock, you can use "real" MIDI cable, that work usually great. On PC I already used those virtual MIDI-Yoke and/or LoopBe and they were decent. Lately I've tried Copperlan and I must say it's really rock solid. You can use it internal on your machine AND/OR via Ethernet. PLUS it's totally free. How 'bout that?!? Give it a shot, more info over there http://www.copperlan.org/index.php/qaa/qaa-midi |
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